Transcript Are there Colleges Looking for you?

College Fair!
November 8, 9-12
November 9, 12-4
Seattle Convention Center
Smith College Tea
Maureen Pine, Assistant Director of Admission for Smith
College, will be in our area Oct 20-22 and again Nov 7-9 for
the National College Fair. We expect to hold our annual
prospective students' party around the dates of the fair.
If any of your students would like an invitation to the party, or
would like to meet with Maureen for an interview while she is
here, please let them know to contact me via email,
[email protected]
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Will your child be a “Stealth”
applicant to college?
Will your child be an “OA?”
Scholarship Program for HighAchieving Students Looking for
Rural Applicants
A scholarship program targeting gifted rural youth is
having a tough time finding 40 qualified students for its
summer program.
The Johns Hopkins Center for Talented Youth plans to
serve 120 low-income seventh- through ninth graders
over the three-year scholarship program, Rural
Connections. Gifted rural students who qualify will
attend a three-week residential Center for Talented
Youth program at one of two dozen sites across the
country.
Are there Colleges Looking for
your child?
Probably so! And they may have
some significant dollars for you!
Why am I here?
• My friend told me this was the right college
for me?
• I wanted to be a
“Leopard/Artichoke/Geoduck/Banana
Slug?”
• My parents graduated from here?
• I need to go to college!
• I don’t know!
Question?
• Write down on a piece of paper the name
of a college/university that isn’t an Ivy
League school OR has a geographical
reference in its name.
Could this be why so many
don’t finish college?
Inadequate research?
True of False?
• You will graduate from UW or WSU in four
years.
• It costs more to go to an out of state
college.
• Washington has one of the highest
acceptance rates at out of state colleges.
• Most Freshman classes at UW and WSU
are taught by professors.
• Ivy League schools do not charge tuition.
Are there Colleges Looking for
you?
Probably so! And they may have
some significant dollars for you!
They are not looking here!
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View recent entries:
Do you know?
In as few as 2 years, or maybe even less,
Persons you may, or may not know, (your choice) will be
making decisions that will:
• 1. Have serious financial impacts on you?
• 2. May have dramatic impacts upon your child’s future?
• 3. "We all spend way too much time on Facebook.
Surely you can spend 10-15 minutes a week," Lambert
says to students who say they are too busy with
schoolwork or other activities.“ (Seattle Times 5/20/12)
It’s your choice!
Do you know?
• Approximately half the significant
scholarship money at competitive colleges
is awarded to kids that have been in the
college’s recruiting data base before the
beginning of the 10th grade!
Who’s responsible?
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Louisiana State Superintendent John White has
been applauded for visiting with teachers across
the state who are concerned over Governor
Bobby Jindal’s education reforms. As White
answered questions a familiar theme arose:
teachers felt that they were being made
scapegoats for poor student performance when
parents should also be held accountable.
Indeed, a recent study from Denmark suggested
that parental influence on test results was five
times that of teachers.
The United States is:
• 21st in the Western World in 15 year old’s
scholastic achievement
• If Asian students were added we would be
below 25th!
• Microsoft hires 99% of its employees from
out of the State of Washington because:
Washington State is:
• 42nd in the nation in high school completion
• Tied for 48th in high school graduates that
meet the entrance requirements for 4 year
colleges
• 46th in the nation in students who enter
college.
• 50th in the nation in 3rd year college students
• 38th in College Graduation rates
• Approximately 16% of 9th graders will
graduate from college in 10 years.
Seattle Times
September 23, 2012
79,308 High School Seniors
62,810 (Graduate?)
• 20,774 to Community
Colleges
• 14,650 intend to get a
4 year degree
• 4,540 Transfer to a 4
year college
• 24,169 to 4 Year
Colleges
• 12,290 Graduate from
College within 6 years
According to UW
Out of 100 entering the 9th Grade:
• 31 will not graduate from high school
• 34 will not enroll in college after graduation
• 10 who enroll will not come back for the
2nd year
• 7 will not graduate from college within 3
years at two year colleges or 6 years at a
4 year college
“We have an educational system here that
is not preparing our kids for those jobs”
• Ed Lazowska, Gates Chair at UW
• “Compared with the 10 states that have technology
economies most like ours, we have the leakiest pipeline
from ninth grade to graduation from either a two-year or
four-college. Of 100 students who enter ninth grade in
Washington, only 18 will get a four-year college degree
within six years of high-school graduation.”
• “That is far the worst of any tech state and among the
worst for the whole country,”
• Seattle Times 2/7/13
Washington Learns
(Governor’s Commission on Education)
• “Public education officials are
producing a generation of
students less educated than
their parents!”
Seattle University
There are more students attending Seattle
University from out of state than from
Washington.
Academic qualifications from out of state
students exceed in state students at
Seattle U. AND at UW!
UW’s opinion of Local High
Schools (update)
GPA of Freshmen at UW
25%
50%
3.08
3.21
Decatur
2.99
Federal Way 2.82
T Jefferson
3.02
T Beamer
2.83
Burlington High School
75%
3.33
3.35
Education Week
High School Graduation Rates
51
50th
49th
48th
47th
42nd
1st
Burlington
Nevada
New Mexico
Kent
Federal Way
South Carolina
Mississippi
Washington
New Jersey
The former President of the
University of Washington says:
• “We lead the country in science and
engineering jobs, but we are one of the
states at the bottom in production of
science and engineers.”
• “The sons and daughters of Washington
will be washing the cars for the people
who come here for the best jobs.”
• “Car Wash Tech?”
What’s Washington Like?
• We're an importing state," Jim Gaudino,
president of Central Washington University, said
recently. He was talking about how Washington
does not turn out a pool of qualified applicants
adequate to its brain-driven economy. He talked
about a tongue-in-cheek slogan to attract talent:
• "Come to Washington. We'll give you a job.
We'll provide people who will mow your lawn."
What can we do to “help” these
colleges?
• “Better Colleges Failing to Lure
Talented Poor”
• New York Times 3/17/13
• “Most low-income students who have top
test scores and grades do not even apply
to the nation’s best colleges, according to
a new analysis of every high school
student who took the SAT in a recent
year. “
Bowdoin College?
• “A lot of low-income and middle-income
students have the inclination to stay
local, at known colleges, which is
understandable when you think about it,”
said George Moran, a guidance
counselor at Central Magnet High
School in Bridgeport, Conn. “They didn’t
have any other examples, any models
— who’s ever heard of Bowdoin
College?”
• http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/17/education/scholarly-pooroften-overlook-better-colleges.html?hpw&_r=1&
The Good News!
• It is very hard to find qualified high school
graduates from the Northwest to fill the
recruiting quotas that many fine colleges
have for the Northwest.
• “Recruiting in the Northwest is a trip to the
desert” College recruiter
This could be better!
Only 10.7% of your 2007 class
students have graduated from a 2
year college.
Only 22.1% of your 2007 class
students have graduated from a 4
year college.
We need more of this!
College Counseling Chats: This year we will host a series
of gatherings to discuss the latest topics in college
admission and to answer questions that are looming on
parents’ minds about this increasingly complicated
process. Once a month, parents of all grade levels are
welcome to join us in the new Seminar Room on the
main floor of the Gateway building for fellowship and
conversation. We will make an effort to hold these
meetings at different times of the day to account for
different family schedules. This first will be a brown bag
lunch at 12:00 p.m. on Monday, September 26. We will
be joined by Beverly Morse, a long time admission
professional at Kenyon College in Ohio.
A college recruiter:
“We are considering no longer
visiting high schools in
Washington, as most of the
students coming to our
presentations are simply
trying
to get out of class.”
~College Recruiter
The bad news
Many high school students, with some
support from their parents, believe in Larry
the Cable Guy’s motto.
“Hard
work pays off in the future,
laziness pays off now!”
Not in college admissions!
Private Schools cost more!
• The average indebtedness of a Whitman
College graduate is almost exactly the same as
that of a University of Washington graduate!
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Whitman’s class size is 24
UW freshman classes are up to 600
Whitman guarantees graduation in four years.
The average for UW is 5.5 years
Robertson Davies
“Education is hard work, not
play, and its rewards, are a
seriously informed, wide
ranging attitude towards real
life, and the beginning of a
great adventure.”
“Getting your child a quality education is not
a spectator sport in the State of
Washington!”
It’s up to YOU!
Charlie Hoff
• “Some people drink from the
fountain of knowledge,
others just gargle”
» Robert Anthony
One in Three!
PAY FULL FARE!
How much do you want to
pay?
New York Times 1/15/11
Barron’s, April 15, 2012
“As a result, students graduating from elite
schools like Princeton, Yale and Williams
College are able to graduate with total
debt under $ 10,000, making them among
the lowest-debt colleges in the country.”
Posted Tuition and Board:
Princeton
$ 47,000/yr
Yale
45,000
Williams
45,140
News Flash!
Harvard has a program that if
you make less than
$180,000/yr the cost of
attending Harvard will be 10%
of your income!
Tiger Mom’s Rules
“You may not:”
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attend a sleepover
have a playdate
be in a school play
complain about not being in a school play
watch TV or play computer games
choose your own extracurricular activities
get any grade less than an A
not be the No. 1 student in every subject except gym and
drama
• play any instrument other than the piano or violin
• not play the piano or violin.
What kids don’t understand
• Adults have all of the cookies!
• Adults can either give, or not give you
cookies.
• Your friends don’t have any cookies!
• The early bird gets the worm, and birds
like the taste of worms!
How do you become a desirable
candidate for these opportunities?
• You pick the right course of study
• You make sure that colleges
know that you exist, consistently,
persistently, and insistently.
• Check this website:
http://www.nacacnet.org/research/Publicati
onsResources/Marketplace/Documents/So
CA2010.pdf
How to build a College List
Bigfuture.org/college-search
College Board’s approach
What are the right courses of
study?
• International Baccalaureate Program
• Cambridge Program
• 5 Advanced Placement exams with scores
of 4 or better
• If your school district does not offer either
IB or Cambridge are you asking your
school board members why?
What will probably not impress a
college admissions officer
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“Honors Courses”
“College Prep Courses”
Running Start Courses
Any other un-documentable courses such
as these posted in a local high school.
• "Advanced Marketing", "Advanced
Accounting", "Advanced Drama" and my
personal favorite, "Advanced
Weight Lifting".
Steps to take to get started
• Take the next PSAT exam, no
matter what grade you are in!
This exam is only given once a
year, October, so get your
request in as soon as possible!
• Identify 20 colleges in “Barron’s Profiles of
American Colleges” that:
• Are “Most, Highly, or Very Competitive”
• Offer a major that you might be interested
in taking
• Have yields of less than 50% from their
admissions process
• Have evidence of geographic diversity
• Have evidence of substantial ability to
offer financial aid. Probably private
colleges.
Learning About Colleges using;
Barron’s Profiles of American Colleges
Learning About Colleges using;
Barron’s Profiles of American Colleges
Includes an Index of College Majors,
and colleges offering the major listed.
Includes index groups of colleges, listed by admissions competitiveness, such as
“Most Competitive” category (page 249) for example; Carleton College, in MN.
Learning About Colleges using;
Barron’s Profiles of American Colleges
Summary Information:
Such as Tuition & Yield
By State
College Listings
Student Life: Indicates
where students are from.
Financial Aid
Information
Learning About Colleges using;
Barron’s Profiles of American Colleges
Number of
Students Attending
Learning About Colleges using;
Barron’s Profiles of American Colleges
…and as we know, “average” means 50% are less, and 50% are more…
Learning About Colleges using;
Barron’s Profiles of American Colleges
1,444 accepted/4,840 applied = 0.32 (32% Acceptance rate)
509 enrolled/1,444 accepted = 0.35 (35% Enrollment rate)
“Yield” (accepted vs enrolled) indicates about 1 of 3 attended
• Write, no e-mails, no twitter, etc. each of the
selected colleges asking for an admissions
brochure.
“Dear _____:
I have been reviewing “Barron’s” and it appears
that your college/university offers _____ which I
am interested in studying.
Can you please send me your admissions
brochure?
Regards,
Get a larger mailbox!
These initial letters will be treated as “Junk”
mail but they are the beginning of your
relationship with schools.
When the brochure arrives study it, and the
schools website, and determine if this is a
school that you have further interest in.
If so, respond with a series of questions that
will establish your legitimate interest in the
school.
Does the Admissions office have:
• A file on you?
• Evidence of continued interest by frequent
correspondence?
• Evidence of your participation in local
events?
• Other evidence of your interest in the
school? (visit?)
Topics to be covered
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3-2 Plans
United World Colleges
Clarkson and Simon’s Rock programs
Summer Programs
Alumni Groups
College Fairs
College Visits
March2Success.com
Facebook
SAT Subject Tests
www.centerforstudentsuccess.org
• Berea College, Webb Institute, College of
the Ozarks, 5 Service Academies
• Check the Blog frequently for news on
college admissions.
• Googlegroups invitations!
• TheWashboard.org has a common
application for many scholarships
available in Washington.
• College Board.Com
• PrincetonReview.Com
Blog!
1. Send request to [email protected]
2. You will then get an invitation from Google
Groups to join.
This invitation may go to your Spam file.
You have to accept the invitation in order
to join.
Google will not let me resend an invitation to
the same e-mail address.
Questbridge.com?
Make less than $ 60,000 per
year?
Questbridge has the funding for
your child!
Questions to be prepared for at an interview
• Why are you here? (What is it about our
school that attracts you?)
• “What did you learn something about in
school that you decided that you had to do
your own individual research about just for
your own satisfaction?”
What is Important for Admission
(2009)
Grades in AP/IB/Cam
Strength of Curriculum
Admissions Test Scores
Grades in all Courses
Essay
Demonstrated Interest
Teacher Reccomendations
Counselor Reccomendatons
Private
Class Rank
Public
Extra Curricular Activities
Portfolio
Interview
Subject Tests
SAT II Scores
State Scores
Work
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Demonstrated Interest?
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Baylor: "we seek those who can gain the most from a Baylor experience, for
students with a demonstrated interest in becoming a 'Baylor Bear'."
Trinity University: "Visiting campus, emailing or calling an admissions
counselor, attending a Trinity In Focus program, talking with a
representative when they visit your high school, and stopping by our table at
a college fair are some of the ways to show the Admissions Committee that
you are genuinely interested in attending Trinity, and help us get to know
you better."
Carnegie Mellon: "Admission Interviews are a great supplement to an
information session and tour of campus, and allow a prospective student to
get a personalized introduction to campus and the unique world-class
education offered at Carnegie Mellon. An admission decision will not be
based off of this interview; it is looked upon as demonstrated interest in the
application process."
Rhodes College: "Your overall campus visit indicates demonstrated interest
and will play a considerable role in the admissions decision-making
process."
What do Admissions People think
of your High School?
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Greatschools.com?
Frazer Institute?
SBE.Gov.WA?
University of Washington?
Washington Post?
This can determine your success in
admissions!
What should be in a high school
profile?
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Enrollment
Composition of Enrollment
Number taking PSAT as Juniors
Average scores on the PSAT
Number taking the SAT
Average scores on SAT
Washington Post E&E rating
What should be in a high school
profile?
• Number of AP/IB/Cambridge courses
offered
• Number of students taking AP/IB/Cam
courses
• Score distribution of AP/IB/Cam tests
• Report card grade distribution for
AP/IB/Cambridge tests
What should be in a high school
profile?
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Number of National Merit semi-finalists
Number of AP Scholars
Number of Intel finalists
“GreatSchools.com” evaluation of your
school
• Any other nationally recognized academic
recognitions
How good are our schools?
• The governor said at a news conference on Wednesday
afternoon (March 2nd) that the failures in the state's
education system are obvious to nearly everyone: Kids
are starting kindergarten unprepared to learn; too many
students are dropping out of high school because they're
not ready for higher level learning; the state is not getting
enough kids ready for science and math intensive jobs;
college freshmen are forced to take remedial classes
and college credits some kids earn during high school
are not being accepted by the state's universities.
• "We know what's failing in the system. It's no hidden
secret to any of us. We need to stop denying it. We
need to stop the studies and excuses," Gregoire said.
Do you know?
• You will graduate from UW or WSU in four
years. (false)
• It costs more to go to an out of state college.
(probably not true)
• Washington has one of the highest acceptance
rates at out of state colleges. (true)
• Most Freshman classes at UW and WSU are
taught by professors. (false)
• Ivy League schools do not charge tuition. (~true)
"In education, nothing works if
the students don't."
Donald E. Simanek
[email protected]
2nd Sunday @ 1:30 pm
1925 S. 341st Place
Federal Way
References
• Princeton Review book Best 377 Colleges is good
supplement to
Barrons: http://in.princetonreview.com/in/2012/08/thebest-377-colleges-are-here.html
• A list of "Meets 100% Demonstrated Need" schools:
http://www.thecollegiateblog.org/2012/09/02/schoolsthat-meet-100-of-demonstrated-need-without-loans/
How do you become a desirable
candidate for these opportunities?
• You pick the right course of study
• You make sure that colleges
know that you exist, consistently,
persistently, and insistently.
• Check this website:
http://www.nacacnet.org/research/Publicati
onsResources/Marketplace/Documents/So
CA2010.pdf
How to Find The Right College
Making Use of the “COMMON DATA SET”
How to find “Common Data Set” Information?
- Go to a desired college website and on the
main page in the search box type, “Common
Data Set”, then select the most recent one.
- Collegedata website seems to have key CDS info:
http://www.collegedata.com/
- Other sources such as Barrons or US News info:
http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges
How to build a College List
Bigfuture.org/college-search
College Board’s approach
Questbridge.com?
Make less than $ 60,000 per
year?
Questbridge has the funding for
your child!