Transcript Why Do They Hate Us? - Mr. Troxel's Classroom

The Forbidden Answer
Rudy Giuliani
Former Mayor (R)
of New York
“They hate us, not because of anything bad
we’ve done. This has nothing to do with any
aggression on the part of the United States of
America. It has nothing to do with anything
America is taking from anyone. It has nothing
to do with Israel and Palestine. They hate us
for the freedoms that we have and the
freedoms that we want to share with the world
because those freedoms are in conflict with
their perverted interpretation of their religion.
Rudy Giuliani
Former Mayor (R)
of New York
Their maniacal, violent, and perverted
interpretation of their religion, in which they
train their young people to be suicide bombers,
and they train them to hate you and despise you
and they train them to hate your religion and to
not allow you to have religion of your own or
anyone else. They hate us for the reasons that are
the best about us, because we have freedom of
religion, because we have freedom for women,
because women are allowed to participate in
society, because we have elections, because we
have a free economy. Well, we’re not giving that
up, and you’re not going to come and take it
from us.”
At least, this is what our rulers have led us to
believe. But is it the only possible
explanation? To answer that we must start at
the beginning – with the Founding Fathers.
“The great rule of conduct for us in
regard to foreign nations is in extending
our commercial relations, to have with
them as little political connection as
possible.”
George Washington
Founder of America
“The essential principles of our
Government, and consequently those
which ought to shape its Administration,
are peace, commerce, and honest
friendship with all nations, entangling
alliances with none.”
Thomas Jefferson
Founder of America
John Quincy Adams
Founder of America
“Wherever the standard of freedom and
Independence has been or shall be
unfurled, there will America’s heart, her
benedictions, and her prayers be. But she
goes not abroad in search of monsters
to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the
freedom and independence of all. She is
the champion and vindicator only of her
own.”
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American foreign policy has changed dramatically
since the Founders’ time.
The United States currently has:
◦ Entangling alliances among many nations
◦ Troops stationed in 135 countries
◦ Almost 1,000 military bases encircling the globe
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This intervention into foreign lands is a major reason
why they hate us. How is that? Well first we need to
understand what blowback is…
Scheuer is the world’s expert on Osama bin Laden.
He’s read everything bin Laden has ever written.
Michael Scheuer
Former Chief of
CIA’s Osama bin
Laden Unit
His argument is that the perpetrators of terrorist
attacks on Americans should be pursued mercilessly
for their acts of barbarism. But it is unreasonable,
even utopian, not to expect people to grow resentful,
and desirous of revenge, when your government
bombs them, supports police states in their
countries, and imposes murderous sanctions on
them. That revenge, in its various forms, is what the
CIA calls blowback – the unintended consequences of
military intervention.
“This war is dangerous to America
because it’s based, not on gender equality,
as Mr. Giuliani suggested, or any other
kind of freedom, but simply because of
what we do in the Islamic world –
because ‘we’re over there.’”
Michael Scheuer
Former Chief of
CIA’s Osama bin
Laden Unit
So what is an example of blowback that caused Osama
bin Laden to hate us?
Chalmers Johnson
CIA Consultant
Blowback: The Costs
and Consequences of
American Empire
“The CIA supported Osama bin Laden, like so
many other extreme fundamentalists in Afghanistan
who were fighting Russia, from at least 1984 on. It
was only after the Russians had bombed Afghanistan
back to the stone age and suffered a Vietnam-like
defeat, and the United States had walked away
from the death and destruction the CIA had
helped cause, that Osama bin Laden turned against
his American supporters. The last straw as far as he
was concerned was the way that ‘infidel’ American
troops – around 35,000 of them – remained in Saudi
Arabia after the first Gulf War to prop up the
Saudis excessively wealthy and fiercely
authoritarian regime.
Chalmers Johnson
CIA Consultant
Blowback: The Costs
and Consequences of
American Empire
Devoutly Muslim citizens of that kingdom saw the
troops’ presence as a humiliation to the country
and an insult to their religion. Some Saudis
protested and began to launch attacks against
Americans and against the Saudi regime itself. In
June 1996, terrorists associated with Osama bin
Laden bombed the Khobar Towers apartments near
Dhahran airport, killing nineteen American airmen
and wounding scores more.”
Paul Wolfowitz
Deputy Secretary of Defense
under George W. Bush
Paul Wolfowitz was a major architect of
President Bush’s Iraq policy and its most
hawkish advocate. He said that a benefit of
the invasion “that has gone by almost
unnoticed--but it’s huge--is that by complete
mutual agreement between the U.S. and the
Saudi government we can now remove
almost all of our forces from Saudi Arabia.
Their presence there over the last 12 years
has been a source of enormous difficulty for a
friendly government. It’s been a huge
recruiting device for al Qaeda.
Paul Wolfowitz
Deputy Secretary of Defense
under George W. Bush
In fact if you look at bin Laden, one of his
principle grievances was the presence of socalled crusader forces on the holy land,
Mecca and Medina. I think just lifting that
burden from the Saudis is itself going to open
the door to other positive things. I don’t want
to speak in messianic terms. It’s not going to
change things overnight, but it’s a huge
improvement.”
(Source:
http://www.defense.gov/transcripts/transcript.aspx?transcriptid=2594 )
Ron Paul
Texas Congressman (R) and
Presidential Candidate
“The confirmation of this whole idea of why
they come here came from none other than
Paul Wolfowitz. But what he doesn’t
understand, as Michael Scheuer explains, is
that the whole peninsula is holy land to the
Muslims, including Iraq. So the fact that we
don’t have troops right now in Saudi Arabia
means nothing. We’re still over there, so the
incentive is still there. And if it were true that
we had to deal with the people most
responsible for 9/11, it was not the Iraqis, it
was not the Iranians, it was Saudi Arabia – 15
of them! So if you had to declare war, that is
where you should have gone.”
So how do entangling alliances create hatred toward
us?
“Many Americans have wondered, ‘Why do
they hate us?’ Bin Laden and al Qaeda have
answered this question. America is held
responsible for the governments of Muslim
countries, ridiculed by al Qaeda as ‘your
[America’s] agents,’ because of America’s
support for their countries’ repressive
rulers.”
(Page 51)
“Our fight against these governments is not
separate from our fight against you.”
Osama bin Laden
9-11 Commission
Report (Page 51)
Philip Giraldi
CIA Officer
“As the 9/11 commission report indicated,
there were consequences for our
presence in the Middle East and if we
seriously want to address the terrorism
problem we have to be serious about that
issue. Giuliani indicated that he was not
only not serious about that issue, but
seemed to be ignorant of both the 9/11
[Commission] Report and political
realities in the Middle East.”
So how does having troops around the world create
hatred toward us?
Robert Pape
Dying To Win: The
Strategic Logic of
Suicide Terrorism
Robert Pape has done more research than
anyone else on the subject of suicide
terrorism by studying every suicide
terrorist attack between 1980 and 2003,
all 315 of them. He found that the
country that commits the most suicide
terrorism is not Islamic, it’s Sri Lanka
(an island just south of India). The Tamil
Tigers there are a non-religious Marxist
group that want to secede. They invented
the idea of strapping bombs to your chest.
Robert Pape
Dying To Win: The
Strategic Logic of
Suicide Terrorism
Pape also discovered that the countries
that are most radical in their Islamic
philosophy, Iran and Sudan (which is just
south of Egypt) commit no suicide
terrorism. And he said that the most
important element in getting someone
willing to commit suicide terrorism is
occupation by a foreign force. The
terrorists want “to make modern
democracies withdraw military forces from
the territory the terrorists view as their
homeland.”
Robert Pape
Dying To Win: The
Strategic Logic of
Suicide Terrorism
The only role religion plays in this
struggle, according to Pape, is that the
willingness of the occupied to resort to
suicide attacks increases when the
occupying army is made of people who
come from far away, look different and
believe differently due to the fear that
their entire way of life will come under
attack.
Laurence Vance
What’s Wrong with the
U.S. Global Empire?
“In 2002, after two U.S. soldiers were
acquitted by a U.S. military court in South
Korea of negligent homicide in the deaths of
two Korean schoolgirls, Koreans
demonstrated, burned American flags,
chanted anti-American slogans, and
demanded that U.S. troops leave the
country. Hatred of the United States is not a
result of our freedoms and our values, it is a
direct result of our intervention into the
affairs of other countries and our military
presence around the world.”
So how does having almost 1,000 bases around the
world create hatred toward us?
Ron Paul
Texas Congressman (R) and
Presidential Candidate
“Why do so many Americans feel as if we
have a right to a military presence in some
160 countries when we wouldn’t stand for
even one foreign base on our soil, for any
reason? These are not embassies, mind you,
these are military installations. The reality is
that our military presence on foreign soil is as
offensive to the people that live there as armed
Chinese troops would be if they were
stationed in Texas. We would not stand for it
here, but we have had a globe-straddling
empire and a very intrusive foreign policy for
decades that incites a lot of hatred and
resentment towards us.”
Angry: Some 6,000 people gathered at a rally in Tokyo on Jan. 30, 2010. The slogans written
in Japanese read “We don’t need Futenma base,” in red, and “We refuse new Henoko base,”
in blue.
Angry: Thousands of Americans gathered at a rally at Ground Zero on Aug. 22, 2010. The
protesters are angry at a mosque being built on what they consider holy ground. Imagine if
instead of a mere mosque, it was an Islamic military base instead. That is how Muslims feel.
But don’t our troops do some good things for other
countries?
Well, would you be OK with Chinese troops in your
neighborhood as long as they passed out toys for tots? Do unto
others as you would have them do unto you.
So then why did the terrorists attack innocent
bystanders on 9/11?
Chalmers Johnson
CIA Consultant
Blowback: The Costs
and Consequences of
American Empire
“The suicidal assassins of September
11, 2001 did not ‘attack America,’ as
political leaders and news media in the
United States have tried to maintain;
they attacked American foreign
policy. Employing the strategy of the
weak, they killed innocent bystanders,
whose innocence is, of course, no
different from that of the civilians
killed by American bombs in Iraq,
Serbia, Afghanistan and elsewhere.”
But does that mean that we have to do whatever the bin
Ladens of the world want or else they will raise a
bunch of terrorists to come after us?
Michael Scheuer
Former Chief of
CIA’s Osama bin
Laden Unit
“About the only thing that can hold
together the very loose temporary alliance
that Osama bin Laden has assembled is a
common Muslim hatred for the impact of
U.S. foreign policy…. They all agree they
hate U.S. foreign policy. To the degree we
change that policy in the interests of the
United States, they become more and
more focused on their local problems…”
So are you saying that Americans are to blame for
9/11?
Blowback
To the civilians suffering it, blowback
typically manifests itself as “random”
acts of political violence without a
discernible, direct cause; because the
public—in whose name the
intelligence agency acted—are
ignorant of the effected secret attacks
that provoked revenge (counter-attack)
against them.
So are you excusing the terrorists for their evil acts?
Ron Paul
Texas Congressman (R) and
Presidential Candidate
“Looking for motive is not the same thing as
making excuses; detectives always look for
the motive behind the crime, but no one
thinks they are looking to excuse murder.
Obviously the onus of blame rests with
those who perpetrate acts of terror,
regardless of their motivation. The questions
Scheuer and I are asking is not who is
morally responsible for terrorism – only a
fool would place the moral responsibility for
terrorism on anyone other than the terrorists
themselves.
The question we are asking is less doltish
and more serious: given that a hyperinterventionist foreign policy is very likely
to lead to this kind of blowback, are we
still sure we want such a foreign policy? Is
it actually making us less safe?”
Ron Paul
Texas Congressman (R) and
Presidential Candidate
But doesn’t patriotism and love of country mean that I
should always be loyal and give my government quasireligious subordination no matter what it does,
especially concerning foreign policy?
“It is the duty of every Patriot to
protect his country from his
government.”
Thomas Paine
Founder of America
“Where liberty is, there is my country.”
Benjamin Franklin
Founder of America
But didn’t Muhammad describe the climax of Islam on
earth as one in which the whole world would be
Muslim?
Michael Scheuer
Former Chief of
CIA’s Osama bin
Laden Unit
“Yes, but there’s as much chance of that
happening in any kind of foreseeable
future as the application of the Golden
Rule, and ‘turn the other cheek’ and ‘love
thy neighbor’ in the Christian world.
There’s no chance. Bin Laden is popular
and his message resonates because it is a
defensive message. It is very much a
message of ‘get out and leave us to our
own problems.’”
But don’t Muslims hate America because we have an
immoral culture compared to theirs?
Thomas E. Woods, Jr.
Best-selling Libertarian
Author and Historian
No Patronizing,
No Sloganeering
“According to Scheuer, the Ayatollah
Khomeini [the Supreme Leader of
Iran from 1979 to 1989] tried over the
course of a decade to instigate a jihad
[holy war] against America on
account of our wickedness, our
entertainment, our women in the
workplace, and the like. It was a
complete flop. No one blew himself
up because of R-rated movies.
Thomas E. Woods, Jr.
Best-selling Libertarian
Author and Historian
No Patronizing,
No Sloganeering
What made Osama bin Laden’s
message attractive, on the other hand,
was precisely that it was defensive in
nature, focusing on specific
grievances that resonated with his
Muslim audience. That, and not a war
against the West over its decadence, is
what won recruits. In other words,
we may in fact be dealing not with
comic-book villains but with actual
human beings.”
George W. Bush
Former President
Dodging an Iraqi Shoe
“I’m not so sure the role of the United
States is to go around the world and
say, ‘This is the way it’s got to be.’ I
think one way for us to end up
being viewed as the ‘ugly American’
is for us to go around the world
saying, ‘We do it this way; so should
you.’ I think the United States must be
humble in how we treat nations that
are figuring out how to chart their
own course.”
The only reason that Osama and his gang are able to
recruit suicide terrorists is by pointing to real, earthly
grievances: specifically the presence of foreign
occupying armies in their countries – not 72 virgins
in heaven, not freedom, nor a plan to create an
Islamic Caliphate.
Occupation. This is the answer to “why they hate us.”
Why is it a forbidden answer?
Michael Scheuer
Former Chief of
CIA’s Osama bin
Laden Unit
“It’s very common for the slurs to be thrown
when you say something like this. You’re an
appeaser, you’re an anti-American. I think it’s a
shame, but the governing establishment wants
to protect itself. It does not want to talk about
these issues. At the end of the debate,
Americans may decide that the foreign policy
status quo that exists at the moment is what they
want. But if they do, they will at least go into it
with their eyes open, and know that they are in
for an extended period of war, a tremendously
bloody and costly war.”
A partial list of past as well as some on-going American foreign policy interventions that have
caused blowback:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/cox/cox17.1.html
Ron Paul advocates the use of Letters of Marque and Reprisal as described in the Constitution, which
would have been a far superior, creative and modern response to the attacks of 9/11 than a fullscale military operation:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig8/fisk5.html
If the US stopped sending foreign aid to Israel and its enemies, it would actually strengthen the
U.S. and Israel, as well as end one of the greatest impetuses for terrorism:
Part 1: http://www.lewrockwell.com/block/block88.html
Part 2: http://www.lewrockwell.com/block/block89.html
LewRockwell.com is the most read libertarian website in the world, the one that Ron Paul reads first
thing in the morning. Also, see Mises.org for a lifetime of learning.
World Wide War Project –
http://www.worldwidewarproject.org
The official website dedicated to verifying Dr. Jonathan M. Kolkey’s provocative
conclusions based on his exhaustive and academically sound historical research collected
over three decades that conclusively link the root cause of all wars with leaders’ cynical
pursuit of their own political and personal self-interest. It demonstrates that these same
government leaders disseminate for public consumption bogus “reasons” for their wars,
all the while admitting in private their real self-serving motives.
How victory in the war in Iraq is a logical impossibility and an analysis of the fallacious
line of thinking that “we’re fighting them over there so that we don’t have to fight them
over here.” –
http://www.lewrockwell.com/vuk/vuk21.html
A video showing how the CIA’s 1953 coup d’état in Iran caused blowback in the form of
the taking of American hostages. –
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldgbOxDX6DE
[This video plays on next slide. There are four more slides after the video. Don’t forget
to click for the next slide after the video finishes!]
A video proving that the previous video isn’t biased. Norman Pohdoretz, who authored
World War IV: The Long Struggle Against Islamofascism and was chosen by Rudy
Giuliani to be his foreign policy advisor, is questioned about the 1953 coup. Norman
admits it is true and yet tries to dodge answering the question by arrogantly saying,
“Yeah, I think the CIA did in fact have something to do with the overthrow of
Mosaddegh, but to tell you the truth I have no stomach for this kind of ancient history.”
(Skip to 6:10 in the video) –
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MBzLTjVMhY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKfuS6gfxPY&featur
e=youtu.be
Imagine armed Chinese troops in Texas!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SODTI_C1q_Q
Troops discuss the use of “drop weapons”
http://youtu.be/a4zKzXFcLN4
Conservatives need to question foreign policy
as much as they question domestic policy
http://youtu.be/SLUoWhWsOWk
Historian Tom Woods explains how he came to
realize that the conservative tradition has
become warped on foreign policy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BqTrhrF86o
Ron Paul debates prominent neo-conservative
Dinesh D'Souza