Transcript Blacksburg Workshop - Virginia Tech Department of Physics

Bernard Sadoulet
Dept. of Physics /LBNL UC Berkeley
UC Institute for Nuclear and Particle
Astrophysics and Cosmology (INPAC)
Blacksburg Workshop
DUSEL process
Solicitation 1
Workshops: Berkeley, Blacksburg, Boulder, Maryland(?)
Goals
Style
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DUSEL Process
Solicitation 1: Community wide study of
• Scientific roadmap: from Nuclear/Particle/Astro Physics to Geo
Physics/Chemistry/Microbiology/Engineering
• Generic infrastructure requirements
• Proposal supported by all 8 known sites submitted on Sept 15,2004
(www.dusel.org)
Under review by NSF
Solicitation 2 : Preselection of 3-5 sites
• Proposals due January 10.
Solicitation 3
Selection of initial site(s)
MRE and Presidential Budget (hope 08 start)
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Solicitation 1 Organization
6 PI’s responsible for the study
in particular scientific quality/ objectivity
14 working groups + Workshops
Infrastructure requirements/management
Education and outreach
2 consultation groups
• The site consultation group (Solicitation 2 sites)
Endorsement of the PI’s and general approach
Input on scientific/technical questions important to the sites
Competition between sites
• The initiative coordination group: major stakeholders (e.g. National
Labs)
Coordination with other major initiatives
Competition between these initiatives
Report directed at OMB/OSTP/Congress
cf. Quantum Universe
+Web based reports
with technical facts
External review à la NRC
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Workshops
Berkeley Aug 4-7
Agree about methodology and finalize Solicitation 1 proposal
First exploration of scientific themes
Start of work on infrastructure requirements
Common language for solicitation 2
Blacksburg Nov 12-13
Focus on Earth Sciences (including Geo-microbiology) and Applications
More precise definition of scientific roadmaps and generic experiments
Generic infrastructure requirements: Adaptation of methodology
Help in integration into solicitation 2 proposals
Boulder Jan 5-7
Bring in “mainstream” biologists (e.g. evolutionary molecular and microbe)
Synergies between fields
Focus on infrastructure requirements <= results of working groups Modules
Sketch of report: major themes
Last opportunity to adjust our common language before Solicitation 2
Washington Area: March or April
Conclusions
First draft of report
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Berkeley Workshop:
Physics/Earth Science
Clearly something is happening
Partnership
Not only to boost political case
Money saving/new opportunities from co-location
e.g. Deep module as platform
Instrumentation of the site before construction and monitoring after
biological precautions
Synergies
Technology MEMS, Data acquisition
Large caverns
Novel scientific methods
use of particle methods for earth exploration (neutrinos,
low radioactivity counting)
use of geophysics methods for particle detection?
Different styles
novel approaches
more effective argumentation with agencies
Intellectual climate at site(s)
Multidisciplinary=> intellectual creativity
education of our students
education and outreach
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The Big Scientific Question
Berkeley Workshop:
Illuminating the dark side of the earth and the
cosmos
Nature of dark matter and dark energy
The neutrino properties
Matter/antimatter asymmetry and stability of matter
Ancient life/evolution/adaptation
Understanding the earth and its evolution /rock deformation/
earthquakes
Imaging the underground world => mastery of the rock
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A Powerful Case for DUSEL
Berkeley Workshop:
Unique aspects
Earth Science: Deep, long term is unique
Physics: Depth ?
Long base line + accelerators
Likely demand and evolution of science
We have to build the case
Road maps + Infrastructure requirements
Strategic importance
- as large scale experiments become international , important to
have US site to have US teams leading the projects
- We want the U.S. to be a leader in geoscience techniques
- Energy sciences (finding oil deposit, etc.)
- Underground construction
- Education of our scientists and engineers
- Homeland security
International context and partnerships
SNO
Japan/Europe
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Blacksburg:
Scientific Roadmaps
for Deep Underground Earth Science
Starting from previous studies (in particular Ness2002,Earth Lab
report, Berkeley workshop) go further
Identification of major themes
With syntheses which make sense for the specialists, resonate with
other scientists and fascinates the non scientists
Relatively few working groups: Coupled processes, rock mechanics
and tectonics, geo-microbiology and applications
Prioritization
What are the most pressing questions to answer deep underground?
Can we identify major types of experiments or
facilities
Not necessarily same approach as physicists
But go further than the “1km3 sand box” where we want to play for
at least 10 years
e.g. Earth Lab
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Ultradeep Life and Biogeochemistry Observatory
Deep Flow and Paleoclimate Laboratory and Observatory
Induced Fracture and Deformation Processes Laboratory
Deep Coupled Processes Laboratory
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Blacksburg:
Infrastructure Requirements
Earth science is not geology independent
Not everything can be done at every site
What are the generic site characteristics which are necessary to at
least start to tackle the most important questions
cf Depth as a major characteristic for physicists (but not needed for all)
Do we have enough of a scientific case for recommending eventually
a combination of sites?
Adapt infrastructure requirement matrix to Deep
Earth Science (Lee Petersen, Derek Ellsworth)
At minimum, additional columns indicating rock type, fracture
characteristics etc.
Define also needed characterization / monitoring of
the site + precautions for biological studies
Estimate of the demand in an international context
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Physics/Earth Science
Clarity about differences
Earth scientists: heterogeneous fragmented
Physicists: homogeneous => large cavities
Earth scientists: more sites
Physicists: single organization
Earth scientists: virgin territory
Some physicists: use of existing sites
to reduce costs
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Style
Solicitation 1 process
Study cutting across sites: “ Site independent” (obviously not
geology independent)
Program under PI’s responsibility
Visit of Kimballton is not an official part of the workshop
Stress our unity
A big success at Berkeley
In spite of the competition between sites (and natural tendency to
push competitive advantage of our favorite site)
No product placement, propaganda
No bias of the scientific arguments for political purpose
Education and outreach should never be very far in
the background
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