Career Opportunities in the Geosciences: What’s a Geoscience Career Like? by Roberta Johnson Director and PI, Windows to the Universe Careers in Geoscience: What’s a Geoscience Career Like?
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Career Opportunities in the Geosciences: What’s a Geoscience Career Like? by Roberta Johnson Director and PI, Windows to the Universe Careers in Geoscience: What’s a Geoscience Career Like? by Roberta Johnson, PI, Windows to the Universe; October 2008; © UCAR Overview • Geoscience Career Opportunities –What are the geosciences? –What can you do in a geoscience career? –What are these jobs like? –What’s it like to be a geoscientist? Careers in Geoscience: What’s a Geoscience Career Like? by Roberta Johnson, PI, Windows to the Universe; October 2008; © UCAR What is “Geoscience”? • The study of: – – – – The solid Earth The atmosphere The ocean Space and other planets • Interactions among parts of the Earth system Careers in Geoscience: What’s a Geoscience Career Like? by Roberta Johnson, PI, Windows to the Universe; October 2008; © UCAR Careers in Geoscience… • Studying Rocks… – • Studying Air… – • Glaciologist Studying Climate… – • Hydrologist, Oceanographer, Marine Geophysicist Studying Ice… – • Atmospheric Scientist, Meteorologist, Atmospheric Chemist Studying Water and the Ocean… – • Geologist, Geophysicist, Seismologist, Volcanologist, Petrologist, Geochemist, Geodesist, Geomagnetist, Economic Geologist, Engineering Geologist, Soil Scientist, Geomorphologist Climatologist, Paleoclimatologist Studying Space… – Planetary Scientist, Space Physicist, Solar Physicist Careers in Geoscience: What’s a Geoscience Career Like? by Roberta Johnson, PI, Windows to the Universe; October 2008; © UCAR What’s it like to be a Geoscientist? • Email “Interviews” of Geoscientists* – asked them to reply to the following questions: – – – – – – – – – • What was important to you, when you were in school? Did you know early on that you wanted to be a scientist, or did it occur to you later in life? How did you become a scientist? How do you manage to balance your work with other aspects of your life? Is there something unexpected or particularly interesting that you’ve discovered, that you’d like to share? What do you like most about your job? What's the best thing about being a scientist? How is the science you do important for society? Anything else you’d like to share? *This “mini-survey” focuses on geoscientists with PhDs. Careers in Geoscience: What’s a Geoscience Career Like? by Roberta Johnson, PI, Windows to the Universe; October 2008; © UCAR What was important to you in school? • • • • • • • Clubs, church, orchestra, choir, gymnastics, cheerleading Fitting in, doing well in school Boys, boys, boys…, Girls --what else? Friends and pets Recreation, skiing, skating, swimming, horseback riding Science and math! • Earth science • Reading, science fiction, watching TV, music, sewing, crafts, • Being "in" with people • Babysitting, mowing lawns • Astronomy, the Apollo program, reaching the Moon, atomic tests • Not and math science! Careers in Geoscience: What’s a Geoscience Career Like? by Roberta Johnson, PI, Windows to the Universe; October 2008; © UCAR Did you know you wanted to be a scientist in high school? • Half of the female geoscientists interviewed here didn’t think they’d be a scientist when they grew up • Many thought they might want to be a veterinarian, though • A few thought they might be lawyers • Most of the male geoscientists thought they would go into a technical field • As a doctor, chemist, physicist, or engineer • One thought he’d be a lawyer Careers in Geoscience: What’s a Geoscience Career Like? by Roberta Johnson, PI, Windows to the Universe; October 2008; © UCAR Marriage and Family? 23 of the 27 scientists are married or have been married – – • 3 are a bit too young to be married 15 of these 21 currently married scientists are married to scientists or engineers 47 children in total among us 12 Number of Scientists • Scientists and Children 10 8 6 4 2 0 0 Number of Children 1 2 3 4 5 Careers in Geoscience: What’s a Geoscience Career Like? by Roberta Johnson, PI, Windows to the Universe; October 2008; © UCAR 6 Balancing Work and Family • • • • • • • • • • It’s not easy! Challenging! You need to prioritize, and realize you can’t do everything Many speak of part-time work while children were young Many speak of helpful husbands who really split housework, cooking, child responsibilities, so wives could follow their interests also Many speak of getting other help in the home – nannies, sitters Importance of exercise, physical fitness Coaching sports Volunteering in scouting, at church, at schools Keeping a sense of humor, and remembering what’s important in life Realizing that the way everyone around you do things is not necessarily the way you need to do them Careers in Geoscience: What’s a Geoscience Career Like? by Roberta Johnson, PI, Windows to the Universe; October 2008; © UCAR • What do you like most about your job? Flexibility of the job – In many cases you can: – – – • • • • • • define when and where you want to work work part time decide what you want to work on, and how Sense of being your own boss, being a detective Loving your job, and working with other people who do, too Learning new things, and sharing them with others Challenging, creative work Good pay, good benefits (PhD scientists involved in this project make somewhere between $90 and $200K/yr) Travel – – – Field work – out to sea, into the field in exotic places around the world like Antarctica, Greenland, jungles, mountains, volcanoes, the tropics, down to the bottom of the ocean in Alvin, etc Professional Meetings – all over the world Careers in Geoscience: What’s a Geoscience Career Like? by Roberta Johnson, PI, Windows to the Universe; October 2008; © UCAR Shirley Murillo SOARS Alumna 1997-1999 Meteorologist and Hurricane Hunter Hurricane Research Division, NOAA Miami, Florida • Decided to be a meteorologist in high school – got an internship with NOAA • “I thought that since I was a high school student, the scientists would give me busy-work, but they didn't. They gave me actual data that had been collected in a storm, and when I finished my project they asked for my opinion and conclusions on what the data meant. They even used my findings for some of their research! ” • Masters degree from the University of Hawai’i • “I study winds inside of hurricanes, which can reach speeds up 150 mph! My job is to collect and analyze wind data from satellites and aircraft that monitor hurricanes.” Careers in Geoscience: What’s a Geoscience Career Like? by Roberta Johnson, PI, Windows to the Universe; October 2008; © UCAR Chris Castro Assistant Professor Department of Atmospheric Science University of Arizona • As a boy in Oklahoma, he liked to watch the summer storms roll in from the west “On a trip to Arizona as a teenager, the monsoon rains just fascinated the hell out of me” • He thought he was going to be a lawyer, not a scientist • He received his PhD from Colorado State University “Don’t be afraid to take risks. Sometimes you’re going to fail, but you’ll learn from your failures and grow more than if you always take the safe path. Your life may have more ups and downs. but it will be more rewarding in the end. That’s what defines successful people." SOARS Alumnus (1996, 1997) Photo© courtesy Careers in Geoscience: What’s a Geoscience Career Like? by Roberta Johnson, PI, Windows to the Universe; October 2008; UCAR University of Arizona. Waleska Rivera Rios • • • • Science Teacher Ysleta High School El Paso, Texas Grew up in Carolina, Puerto Rico She was good in science, but wanted to be an environmental lawyer. When she learned that she would need a bachelor's degree to get into law school, the obvious choice of major was environmental science. "I didn't know much about it; I thought it was solely about protecting the environment." Master's degree at the University of Texas at El Paso (UTEP) " Determination is the key to success. As long as you make up your mind to do something, from the depth of your heart, you will reach that goal. You will do it. I make my students write about their dreams, what they want and where they want it, because once I did that myself, every single thing I wrote came true." SOARS Alumna 1999-2000 Photo courtesy Careers in Geoscience: What’s a Geoscience Career Like? by Roberta Johnson, PI, Windows to the Universe; October 2008; © UCAR Waleska Rivera Rios. Paula Coble Chemical Oceanographer, University of South Florida • Associate Professor, College of Marine Science • Learned about oceanography in 6th grade • Started to study biology in college, and then went into oceanography and geology • Loves going out to sea on her research “My specialty is the group of compounds that give a yellow or brown color to rivers. … My biggest discovery was demonstrating that we could distinguish between yellow substance produced on land and in rivers, from yellow substance produced in the ocean. Now there are lots of people all over the world using my method, but I was the first!” Careers in Geoscience: What’s a Geoscience Career Like? by Roberta Johnson, PI, Windows to the Universe; October 2008; © UCAR Vidal Salazar Associate Scientist Research Applications Lab NCAR Born in Northern Mexico, state of Durango. Loves travel and culture - Italy, Mexico, Indonesia, Thailand, United Arab Emirates, and Saudi Arabia Rock climber, racquetball, lift weights, backpacking, and painter. “I love my work, but I also love my private life. I love talking about science while at work. At home, I can't stop watching the Simpsons and playing with my pets, going to the gym, climbing etc. I love science and outdoor activities just as much.” “I never thought I would end up working in the USA, or traveling to remote places in the world. I have millions of adventures that I have had over the years. All this thanks to my work in science. Careers in Geoscience: What’s a Geoscience Career Like? by Roberta Johnson, PI, Windows to the Universe; October 2008; © UCAR Beth Holland Atmospheric Chemist, National Center for Atmospheric Research • Director of the NCAR Biogeosciences Initiative • Skiing was really important to me (in middle school). I loved alpine skiing in the winter. My best friends today are the girls that were on my ski team in middle school. • Studies the global nitrogen and carbon cycles “It takes a lot of work and thinking. I have 2 daughters, one 10 and one 13. When they were little, it was really hard to do everything. Lots of things didn’t get done… My daughters are great people, and my husband has been a great help, particularly when the girls got older.” Careers in Geoscience: What’s a Geoscience Career Like? by Roberta Johnson, PI, Windows to the Universe; October 2008; © UCAR Jackie Dixon Volcanologist, University of Miami, Florida • Director of the Undergraduate Program in Ecosystem Science and Policy • In middle school – “boys, boys, boys, gymnastics, boys. Science—are you kidding?” • Went into chemistry in college and had research cruise in Hawaii where she learned how fun doing science was! • Works on the deep Earth water cycle has shown that most of the water gets squeezed out of the oceanic crust as it is subducted into the deep mantle “I have fun at work. I have a life and time for my family. I know that sharing science with my husband keeps our marriage healthy. We get to grow together instead of growing apart. I get to climb on erupting volcanoes—what could be cooler than that?” Careers in Geoscience: What’s a Geoscience Career Like? by Roberta Johnson, PI, Windows to the Universe; October 2008; © UCAR Jose Garcia • • • • • • • NCAR Software Engineer From Venezuela As a kid, loved animals, reading, and learning about the environment. Decided to become an engineer, so he could make a good living. Earned two Masters degrees – in Computer Science and Applied Mathematics – while working full time. Now working on his PhD. Loves mountain climbing, and has climbed many of the highest peaks in the Andes, Alps, and Rockies. He plans his schedule very carefully, to have time for family, work, and exercise. “Being from Latin-America, I know how hard it can be to believe in yourself … When you look inside and you persevere, opportunity presents itself and then you can realize it was all worth it.” Careers in Geoscience: What’s a Geoscience Career Like? by Roberta Johnson, PI, Windows to the Universe; October 2008; © UCAR Rosaly Lopes Planetary Geologist, Jet Propulsion Lab, California • Scientist on the Cassini mission to Saturn • Wanted to be an astronomer and work for NASA since she was 5 “I had a pretty hard time in school. The boys didn't seem to like me and it was only much later that I realized that it was because I got better grades than they did.” “The highlight of my career was the Galileo mission. I studied the volcanoes on Jupiter's volcanic moon Io and discovered 71 volcanoes that were not known to be active. I was also a co-discoverer of very high temperature volcanism on Io.” Careers in Geoscience: What’s a Geoscience Career Like? by Roberta Johnson, PI, Windows to the Universe; October 2008; © UCAR Eduardo Araujo-Pradere NOAA Space Environment Center • • From Cuba Always knew he wanted to be a scientist (but originally, in medicine). • Persevered and reached his dream to be a scientist studying Space Weather. “Family balance is important! I share my work with my wife, and she shares hers with me (she is an elementary teacher)” • Important to dedicate time to physical activities, friends and culture. A good book is food for the mind, and a good friend is invaluable. • Developed the global standard for the ionospheric storm prediction. “Science brings together people from every corner of the world, regardless of political ideas, faith, economical level, language, and race” Careers in Geoscience: What’s a Geoscience Career Like? by Roberta Johnson, PI, Windows to the Universe; October 2008; © UCAR Maura Hagan Space Physicist National Center for Atmospheric Research, Boulder, Colorado • • Senior Scientist and Section Head Maura had no idea that she wanted to be a scientist until a junior in college • Started in math at college, then moved to physics • Had 3 children in graduate school! • Worked part-time when children were young • Scientist husband shares work at home and with the kids • Specialty is the large-scale motions of the upper atmosphere, their origins, why and how they vary, and how they relate around the world “I like best the feelings associated with discovering something that no one else knows and sharing it with others that are interested and excited about that work.” Careers in Geoscience: What’s a Geoscience Career Like? by Roberta Johnson, PI, Windows to the Universe; October 2008; © UCAR Claudia Alexander Planetary Atmospheric Scientist, Jet Propulsion Lab, California • NASA Project Scientist for Galileo and Rosetta Missions • Liked clubs and orchestra, but never thought she’d be a scientist • Engineering internship at NASA after high school • Importance of balance in life, friends “Many scientists are convinced that the small moon of Jupiter, Europa, which has an ocean underneath its frozen surface, has a potential environment for life. … I am convinced that this moon also has an environment that might be conducive to life.” Careers in Geoscience: What’s a Geoscience Career Like? by Roberta Johnson, PI, Windows to the Universe; October 2008; © UCAR Kevin Petty Scientific Program Manager Weather Systems and Assessment Program NCAR • • All soccer all the time when young “I did not even think about being a • Became a teacher after graduating and developed interest in the Earth/weather – went back to graduate school and got MS/PhD. Parents couldn’t pay for school, so got scholarships, fellowships, teaching assistantships, and took out loans Balancing work and family is a real challenge! • • scientist early in life.” “All of the science I’m involved with is associated with understanding and lessening the impacts that weather has on transportation. Our efforts lead directly to improvements in safety, mobility, and efficiency, as they relate to our transportation network.” Careers in Geoscience: What’s a Geoscience Career Like? by Roberta Johnson, PI, Windows to the Universe; October 2008; © UCAR Roberta Johnson Space Physicist, National Center for Atmospheric Research • • • • • • • Scientist and Director of Education and Outreach program Never thought I’d be a scientist to begin with, but was always good at math and chemistry Enjoys history, archaeology, arts, gardening, sewing, etc Never listened to those that said I shouldn’t or couldn’t do something because of my gender Fell in love with geophysics at university Enjoy travel to interesting places associated with research Study motions of the upper atmosphere of Earth, and the influence of geomagnetic storms and atmospheric tides Careers in Geoscience: What’s a Geoscience Career Like? by Roberta Johnson, PI, Windows to the Universe; October 2008; © UCAR José Meitin Meteorologist, Earth Observing Lab, NCAR • From Cuba • Knew he wanted to be a Meteorologist since the 9th grade, after experiencing several hurricanes • Enjoys new challengesEVERYDAY! • Has been able to work and travel to many parts of the world • His wife is also a meteorologist and they have managed to raise 3 well-adjusted children to adulthood (none are scientists) Careers in Geoscience: What’s a Geoscience Career Like? by Roberta Johnson, PI, Windows to the Universe; October 2008; © UCAR Mary Hudson Space Plasma Physicist, University of Dartmouth, New Hampshire • Chair, Physics and Astronomy Department • Was an avid amateur astronomer and did two science projects- in 8th grade measuring the size of lunar features, and in 9th grade measuring the differential rotational velocity of the sun “I made up my mind early and never gave up. I got some wonderful encouragement along the way, as well as encountering those surprised to see a woman pursuing physics. I thank the people who encouraged me early.” Careers in Geoscience: What’s a Geoscience Career Like? by Roberta Johnson, PI, Windows to the Universe; October 2008; © UCAR Ellen Kappel Marine Geologist, Geosciences Professional Services • • Geological Consultant Always wanted to travel, and found tons of geology-related travel opportunities through school • Thought she would be a physical education teacher or a vet • Stumbled onto geology in college, and was hooked! “I am very lucky to be working from home right now, which is not a possibility with some jobs. I run a small business editing and designing geosciencerelated documents and web sites. … I can put in a pretty good day’s work while also being able to walk my kids to school and coach my daughter’s soccer team.” Careers in Geoscience: What’s a Geoscience Career Like? by Roberta Johnson, PI, Windows to the Universe; October 2008; © UCAR Jill Karsten Marine Geologist, American Geophysical Union • Pretty typical tomboy in middle school – liked going to the beach with friends and playing spies • Got interested in oceanography and geology in college, studied mid-ocean ridges in university “Using your brain to work on interesting problems located in interesting settings and being paid to do it! People have actually paid my salary to go to the top of an active volcano and to go to the bottom of the ocean in a submersible. I’ve been to islands in the Pacific and Indian Oceans and I’ve had opportunities to visit numerous countries for cruises and professional meetings. … I even got married on the bow of a research vessel that was leaving for a cruise from Acapulco. There is NO job that competes!” Careers in Geoscience: What’s a Geoscience Career Like? by Roberta Johnson, PI, Windows to the Universe; October 2008; © UCAR Janet Luhmann Space Physicist University of California at Berkeley • Instrument PI, NASA STEREO mission to image the Sun in 3D • Didn't listen to anyone who discouraged her from studying things like physics • Balance is the hardest thing – go for a permanent position early on, if possible • Worked on interpreting new observations from the Pioneer Venus Orbiter mission- which was responsible for most of what we know about Venus' atmosphere today. “If you have the fire, don't let anyone stop you from pursuing a science career. Many of the best scientists I have encountered in my career have been part of the female minority. Their presence makes a very distinct and special difference, regardless of what personal life paths they choose.” Careers in Geoscience: What’s a Geoscience Career Like? by Roberta Johnson, PI, Windows to the Universe; October 2008; © UCAR Marcia McNutt Marine Geophysicist Former President of the American Geophysical Union • President, Monterey Bay Aquarium Research Institute • Friends, pets, horseback riding, skiing, and doing well in school were all important to her in middle school • Best known for the Superswell concept – a region in the Pacific Ocean encompassing all of French Polynesia has experienced high rates of midplate volcanism for more than 100 million yrs “The oceans regulate our climate, keeping Earth habitable. They are a large source of food and raw materials. But in many dimensions they are virtually unexplored.” Careers in Geoscience: What’s a Geoscience Career Like? by Roberta Johnson, PI, Windows to the Universe; October 2008; © UCAR Pat Reiff • • • • • • Space Physicist Rice University, Texas Realized that she would never be able to live on her beauty, so she’d better find something fun and challenging to do with her brains Loved the outdoors and medicine, so thought about vet medicine Started in college as a math major, but went into astronomy and physics Balancing work and family isn’t easy – mother (of three), researcher, teacher, administrator, volunteer for scouts and in church Husband is a wonderful partner – shares the cooking and shopping duties, does most of the house straightening, and gets the kids up for school when she’s out of town, which is often Studies why the aurora is what it is and how the solar wind changes the earth’s environment Careers in Geoscience: What’s a Geoscience Career Like? by Roberta Johnson, PI, Windows to the Universe; October 2008; © UCAR Mary Lou Zoback Geophysicist, US Geologic Survey • Senior Research Scientist, USGS Earthquake Hazards Team, Menlo Park, CA • Received the AGU’s Macelwane Award for "significant contributions to the geophysical sciences by a young scientist of outstanding ability" and in 1995 • Elected to the National Academy of Sciences “I feel strongly that a valued woman (or man) should be able to make choices about their life and career, not having to abandon child-rearing to pursue a successful career (or vice versa). My personal compromise, which has been supported by the USGS and my husband, was to work only part time after having kids… My husband is very supportive, helps out alot around the house, and most importantly adapts to my part-time schedule when I have to travel.” Careers in Geoscience: What’s a Geoscience Career Like? by Roberta Johnson, PI, Windows to the Universe; October 2008; © UCAR Rolando Garcia Senior Scientist, Atmospheric Chemistry NCAR • His work is also his hobby. It's great to get paid to do what you love to do in the first place! • Discovery - with Susan Solomon, the first successful hypothesis about why there is an ozone hole in Antarctica. “I am my own boss. And there's something new to do every day, so it's never boring. And did I mention I like to get paid to pursue my hobby?” “I think the reason one does science is because it is so much fun; if it also turns out to be useful, so much the better. (And, sooner or later, most good science does turn out to be useful).” Careers in Geoscience: What’s a Geoscience Career Like? by Roberta Johnson, PI, Windows to the Universe; October 2008; © UCAR Beverly Hartline Geophysicist, Argonne National Laboratory, Illinois • Managed the construction of a $500 million accelerator facility for doing research on nuclear physics • Ignored any teachers, guidance counselors, and other adults who said I couldn't become a scientist or shouldn't take the advanced math courses that would be required. “Each of you is smart and has a lot of ideas. Who knows which idea will be the key one for the next major advance in technology? Maybe yours. Also, if you want a career where you are surrounded by intelligent men and there is never a line at the ladies room, then science is a great option!” Careers in Geoscience: What’s a Geoscience Career Like? by Roberta Johnson, PI, Windows to the Universe; October 2008; © UCAR Luisa Molina • Executive Director for Integrated Program on Urban, Regional and Global Air Pollution • Interested in literature and science in school • Worked part-time for a few years when her son was growing up and did some volunteer work at his schools “My research interests include molecular spectroscopy, chemical kinetics, and atmospheric chemistry. More recently I have been involved with environmental problems, in particular with the chemistry of stratospheric ozone depletion and urban air pollution.” “Science is fun. Scientific research can be very rewarding. I strongly recommend to you to pursue a career as a scientist.” Atmospheric Chemist, Massachusetts Institute of Technology Careers in Geoscience: What’s a Geoscience Career Like? by Roberta Johnson, PI, Windows to the Universe; October 2008; © UCAR Warren Washington Senior Scientist NCAR • Liked science at a young age and read a lot about famous scientists. • Had a great chemistry teacher who made science interesting. • Took all the math and science he could in school, and enjoyed them! • Baseball, basketball, and track – ok, but excelled in science. • One of our countries leading scientists studying global warming and climate change. • Has advised 6 US Presidents, and was the Chair of the National Science Board. • Married, with 6 children and 16 grandchildren! “Do something good with your life… helping others and contributing to society is a noble thing to do.” Careers in Geoscience: What’s a Geoscience Career Like? by Roberta Johnson, PI, Windows to the Universe; October 2008; © UCAR What does it take? • The people you’ve heard about all have degrees in the geosciences: – Finished high school with significant math and science – BS, MS, and PhD (usually a minimum of 8 yrs past high school through PhD) – Followed by post-docs, and positions in labs, industry, or academia • However, you don’t have to have a PhD to do this exciting work – BS and MS degrees will allow you to teach, participate in research, work on teams in labs and industry – PhD = flexibility and independence Careers in Geoscience: What’s a Geoscience Career Like? by Roberta Johnson, PI, Windows to the Universe; October 2008; © UCAR Some words inspirational words… Doing "cool" things is not out of reach. I never in my wildest dreams, growing up in Queens, NY (and having a father who would say things like “wait for your husband to pay for it”), would I have thought that I would do field work in the Alps, or spend nearly a year of my life on research vessels, dive in Alvin... But, you need to make these opportunities happen. You cannot sit back and expect opportunities to come to them. Ask people questions, write letters, work hard at school. You never know who will respond and offer you something cool to do. You make your own opportunities. I remember years ago telling some senior scientist how I lucked into all of these wonderful things I was doing. He looked at me sharply and said, "No, Ellen, you make your own luck.“ The thing that I love the most of my job is that there is no limit on what we scientist can achieve. Plus I get to ride on airplanes that go inside of thunderstorms to study them! You can't beat that! Don't be afraid of science, it might look scary with all those numbers and equations, but it truly it is not, it all has a reason, you just need to find that reason and everything will become so simple that you will not believe it! Careers in Geoscience: What’s a Geoscience Career Like? by Roberta Johnson, PI, Windows to the Universe; October 2008; © UCAR