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& PEEK & TOLAND LAW FIRM UT LIBERAL ARTS CAREER SERVICES IS LAW SCHOOL RIGHT FOR ME? JEFF PEEK, SMALL FIRM Partner at Peek & Toland Law Firm • Juris Doctor: St. Mary’s University School of Law in 2000 • Undergraduate: The University of Texas at Austin, BA History & Sociology • Practice Areas: Immigration & Criminal Defense • Career Path: Law School Small Firm Practice in 2000 Solo practice in 2002 Formed Evans & Peek 2003 Peek & Toland in 2010 STEVE TOLAND, SOLO, SMALL FIRM & GOVERNMENT Partner at Peek & Toland Law Firm • Juris Doctor: St. Mary’s University School of Law in 2000 • Undergraduate: Tulane University • Practice Areas: Immigration & Criminal Defense • Career Path: Law School Judicial Clerkship in 2000 Texas Attorney General’s Office in 2000 Formed Toland Law Firm in 2010 as a solo Peek & Toland in 2010 BRIAN HENSLEY MID-SIZE FIRM Senior Attorney at Thompson & Coe • Juris Doctor: University of Houston Law Center in 2002 • Undergraduate: The University of Texas at Austin • Practice Areas: Litigation, Products Liability & Mass Torts in Insurance Industry • Career Path: Law School Joined Thompson & Coe in 2005 BRAD THOMPSON BIG FIRM & GENERAL COUNSEL President & General Counsel at Circular Energy • Juris Doctor: The University of Texas Law School in 2004 • Undergraduate: Baylor University • Industry: Energy Sector, Commercial Litigation • Career Path: Law School Joined Dewey & LeBoeuf in 2004 Lateral Move to King & Spalding in 2008 moved to President & General Counsel at Circular Energy in 2013 DAVID MUCKERHEIDE BIG FIRM & GOVERNMENT Attorney III at Texas Department of Insurance • Juris Doctor: The University of Texas Law School in 2002 • Undergraduate: Texas A&M University • Practice Areas: Administrative Law, Insurance & Business/Corporations • Career Path: Law School Recruited to Winstead, P.C. in 2002 Lateral Move to Department of Insurance Attorney position in 2008 THE LAW SCHOOL EXPERIENCE • Admissions + LSAT • The Socratic Method: Responding & Thinking Like a Lawyer • IRAC: Writing Like a Lawyer • Issue • Rule • Application • Conclusion • Final Exams • Bar Preparation • The Bar Exam WHAT TO EXPECT IN LAW SCHOOL • Socratic Method: Professors call on individuals at random and will ask unprepared students to leave the classroom or deduct points from their final grades. • Writing: You will be expected to write legal memos, briefs, and to be able to read, understand and analyze case law and statutes. • Studying: For every one hour in class, expect to spend around 2-3 hours reading, studying and preparing for class. • Exams: At most schools, there is one cumulative exam at the end of the semester that determines your entire grade for the class. The exam is usually 2-4 hours long. You will have an exam per class. Most are written exams, however some professors use multiple choice exams. WHAT TO EXPECT FOR THE BAR DAY 1: Multistate Performance Test & Procedure and Evidence Exam • Type: Essay & Short Answers • Time: 90 minutes per section DAY 2: Multistate Bar Exam (MBE) • Type: 200 multiple choice questions • Time: 6 hours DAY 3: Texas Essay Subjects • Type: 12 Essays • Time: 6 hours EARNINGS Median Yearly Income for Attorney: $78,584.00 Range: $44,000.00-$165,860.00 Median Income for 2012 Law School Graduates: $61,245 Pretax Value of a Law Degree: $1m Median additional lifetime earnings: $610,000.00. In other words, the average law school graduate can expect to earn about one million dollars more than if they had not gone to law school. Source: http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Attorney_%2F_Lawyer/Salary http://www.nalp.org/classof2012_selected_pr http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2013/07/18/debating-yet-again-the-worth-of-law-school/ PAYING FOR LAW SCHOOL & DEBT • Debt Range: $21,000.00 to $168,800.00. • Average Debt: $100,584.00 • Top 10 Law School Average Debt: $147,717.00 in 2011. Tool for Calculating Expenses & Debt: http://www.admissionsdean.com/payin g_for_law_school/law-school-costcalculator Source: http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-lawschools/grad-debt-rankings/page+8 THE UGLY SIDE OF THE LEGAL PROFESSION • 19 percent of lawyers experience depression at any given time, compared with 6.7 percent of the general population. • 20 percent of lawyers have drinking problems, twice the rate of the general population. • Canadian Bar Association study found that the suicide among lawyers is nearly six times the suicide rate in the general population – Study published in the American Bar Association. • Forbes conducted a survey of 65,000 employees in various careers. The survey found that the #1 unhappiest employee was that of an associate attorney. Source: http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/lawyer_depression_comes_out_of_the_closet/ http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/lawyer_personalities_may_contribute_to_increased_suicide_risk/ http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/why_a_career_website_deems_associate_attorney_the_unhappi est_job_in_america/ UNEMPLOYMENT AND UNDEREMPLOYMENT IN 2012 • 64.4% of law school graduates obtained a job in which passing the bar is required. • 13.3% obtained a job in which a J.D. provides an advantage, usually in a law-related job. • 6.7% were underemployed in an either professional or nonprofessional job. • 12.8% were unemployed. Source: http://www.nalp.org/classof2012_selected_pr LARGE & MID SIZE FIRMS LARGE & MID-SIZE FIRM CHARACTERISTICS • Average First-Year Associate Salary: $165,000.00/year • Typical Client: Ranges on type of law, can be a corporation, person or organization. • Path to Big Firm Life • • Law School Recruited Out of Law School • Law School Medium/Small Firm Experience Lateral Hire Pros: • • Larger Salaries • Great Benefits • Strong support staff & large number of resources Cons: • • • • Long Hours ~42-66 hours per week Large Caseload High Pressure 1400-2200 Billable Hours per year Source: http://www.acc.com/chapters/socal/upload/2011-In-House-Counsel-Compensation-Survey_4-13-11.pdf SOLO & SMALL SIZE FIRMS SOLO & SMALL FIRM CHARACTERISTICS • Average Salary: $50,000-$150,000.00/year depending on firm size and revenue • Typical Client: Ranges on type of law, can be a corporation, person or organization. • Path to Small & Solo Practioner Work • • Law School Recruited Out of Law School • Law School Practice for some time Lateral Hire • Law School Practice for some time Start Own Firm Pros: • • Usually reasonable working hours ~40-50 hours per week • Better work-life balance • Greater flexibility, especially if solo practice Cons: • • • • Source: Smaller Salaries Limited Benefits Not always full benefits or full time Limited support staff & resources http://abovethelaw.com/2010/10/a-small-firm-salary-survey-the-results-part-1/ GENERAL COUNSEL GENERAL COUNSEL CHARACTERISTICS • Average Salary: $194,964.00/year • Client: The corporation or business • Path to General Counsel • • Law School Internship at Company Recruited from Internship • Law School Practice for some time Lateral Hire Pros: • • Larger salaries • Great benefits • Usually reasonable working hours ~40-50 hours per week • Better work-life balance • Strong support staff & large number of resources Cons: • Usually requires previous experience in private practice Source: http://www.acc.com/chapters/socal/upload/2011-In-House-Counsel-Compensation-Survey_4-13-11.pdf GOVERNMENT GOVERNMENT CHARACTERISTICS • Average Salary: $50,000-100,000.00/year • Client: The government, state, city or county • Path to Government Attorney Position • • Law School Internship Recruited from Internship • Law School Recruited out of Law School • Law School practice for some time Lateral Hire Pros: • • Loans can be forgiven for government work • Usually reasonable working hours ~40-50 hours per week • Great Benefits • Work-Life Balance Cons: • • • • Source: Smaller Salaries Loan Debt Forgiveness Large Caseload Limited support staff & resources http://www.justice.gov/careers/legal/entry-salary.html NON-PROFIT, PUBLIC INTEREST & LEGAL AID NON-PROFIT, PUBLIC INTEREST, & LEGAL AID CHARACTERISTICS • Average Salary: ~$44,000/year • Client: Usually a person or individual • Path to NOn-Profit/Public Interest Attorney position: • • Law School Recruited out of Law School • Law School Intern at Legal Aid Recruited Out of Internship • Law School Practice for some time Lateral Hire Pros: • • Loans can be forgiven for public interest work • Usually reasonable working hours ~40-50 hours per week • Work-Life Balance Cons: • • • • • Source: Smaller Salaries Loan Debt Forgiveness Larger Caseload Less Benefits depending on size of organization Limited support staff & resources http://www.simplyhired.com/salaries-k-legal-aid-attorney-jobs.html WHAT VALUE IS A LAW DEGREE IF YOU DON’T PRACTICE? ALTERNATIVE CAREER PATHS Fun Facts: • 38% of U.S. Presidents attended law school or were lawyers • 42% of U.S. Congressmen and women attended law school • 46 of Fortune 500’s Top Companies have CEO’s who attended law school Careers: • Politician • Advocacy Work • Entrepreneurship • Therapist • Teaching/Coaching • Public Speaking • Writer • Public Relations http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Members_of_the_111th_United_States_Congress http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Presidents_of_the_United_States QUESTION ABOUT THE LAW A Few Questions from a UT Forum on Law School http://www.shaggybevo.com/board/showthread.php/135449Questions-about-law-school QUESTIONS?