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Monday Night Part 1
Resolved: The scriptures teach that
Propositions
the alien sinner is forgiven of his past
sins by faith only, before and without
water baptism
Affirm: Gene Cook Jr.
Deny: Bruce Reeves
Resolved: The scriptures teach that
water baptism is essential in order for
the alien sinner to obtain the
forgiveness of his past sins.
Affirm: Bruce Reeves
Deny: Gene Cook Jr.
What We Are & Are Not Denying
What we are
NOT denying:
1. That God is the one
who saves.
2. That salvation is by
GRACE through –
FAITH: (Eph 2:8,9;
John 3:16; Rom 5:1;
Heb 11:6)
What we are
denying:
1. That salvation is
unconditional – (2 Pet 3:9)
2. That men are justified by
faith ONLY – (James 2:24)
3. That baptism is a
nonessential to salvation!
(1 Peter 3:21)
This Discussion Is About – Three Points
God's Universal
Love and desire
to save all men.
Mans ability to
respond to God’s love
by choosing saving
faith.
The faith that submits to
God’s sovereign will by
obeying Him.
Salvation By Faith – “Faith” Passages
These passages tell us that
we are saved by faith!
John 5:24;
John 3:15,16;18,36
John 6:47;
John 8:24;
Acts 10:43;
Acts 15:9;
Acts 16:31;
Romans 5:1;
Ephesians 2:8,9
1 John 5:10-13
We accept
them ALL!
Hebrews 11:6
Which passage
teaches salvation by
FAITH ONLY? (James
2:14-24)
Questions for Monday Night
1. True or False: “God unconditionally chooses who will be saved,
and this leads to the logical conclusion that as a result of His not
choosing others, He creates them and never gives them an
opportunity to be saved.”
2. If unconditional election be true, what is God’s motivation for not
saving the majority of mankind: ______
a) God is NOT powerful enough to provide them with a way of
salvation.
b) God does NOT love them enough to provide them a way of
salvation.
3. True or False: “Jesus Christ died for the sins of every human
being.”
4. True or false: “An elect infant who dies in his infancy will be
saved.”
5. Is the baptism of Romans 6:3-6; Galatians 3:27; and Colossians
Acts 8:12-17 - What Put The Samaritans Into Christ?
Romans 6:3-6; 1 Corinthians 12:13; Galatians
3:26,27
• The Samaritans were saved and “in Christ” in
Acts 8:12. Yet, they had only been baptized in
the name of Jesus Christ – (i.e. water baptism,
Acts 10:47,48)
• They had received no miraculous measure of the
Holy Spirit! (thus no Holy Spirit baptism had
occurred!) – (Acts 8:15-17)
• Water baptism is the baptism of Romans 6:3-6;
Galatians 3:27; & 1 Corinthians 12:13 which
The will of God – Jesus wants all men to Come to Him – Mat. 23:37
BUT - We Must
Be Willing!
Matthew 23:37 (NKJV)
"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem,
the one who kills the
prophets and stones those
who are sent to her! How
often I wanted to gather
your children together, as a
hen gathers her chicks under
her wings, but you were not
willing!
God Is Not Partial – Whoever Fears Him Acts 10:34,35
Man MUST
respond to
God’s love &
grace!
Acts 10:34-35 (NKJV)
Then Peter opened his
mouth and said: "In truth
I perceive that God
shows no partiality.
[35] But in every nation
whoever fears Him and
works righteousness is
accepted by Him.
God Is Not Partial– Commands All Men To Repent – Acts 17:30
Acts 17:30 (NKJV)
Man MUST
respond to
God’s love &
grace!
Truly, these times
of ignorance God
overlooked, but
now commands all
men everywhere to
repent,
God Is Not Partial – Desires All To Come To A Knowledge of Faith – 1 Tim. 2:4-6
Man MUST
respond to
God’s love &
grace!
1 Tim. 2:4-6 (NKJV)
who desires all men to
be saved and to come to the
knowledge of the truth. [5]
For there is one God and
one Mediator between God
and men, the Man Christ
Jesus, [6] who gave
Himself a ransom for all,
to be testified in due time,
The will of God – For All Men to Repent – 1John 2:1,2
1 John 2:1-2 (NKJV)
Those who
were currently
Christians as
well as
everyone else!
. . . [2] And He
Himself is the
propitiation for
our sins, and not
for ours only but
also for the
whole world.
Salvation By Grace Through Faith – Ephesians 2:8-10 Text
Ephesians 2:8-10 (NKJV)
For by grace you have been saved
through faith, and that not of yourselves; it
is the gift of God, [9] not of works, lest
anyone should boast. [10] For we are His
workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for
good works, which God prepared
beforehand that we should walk in them.
Salvation By Grace Through Faith – What is The Issue – Conditional?
(Ep 2:5, 8)
The Issue Is:
“By grace have • Are there any
ye been
conditions that the alien
saved”
sinner must meet in
order to be saved by
(Rom 3:24)
“Being justified
freely by his
God’s grace?
(Either Unconditional
or Conditional!)
Works Used in Different Ways
Of Merit
Ephesians 2:8; Titus
3:5
A System of Sinless
Perfection
Romans 3:27; 4:2-8; 11:6
Of Faith
1 Thes 1:3; James 2:1426
(Defines the kind of faith
that saves)
Salvation By Grace Through Faith – What is The Gift?
And that (kai
touto).
Neuter, not feminine
taut, and so
refers not to pistis
(feminine) or to
charis (feminine
also), but to the act of
being saved by grace
conditioned on faith on
our part. (A.T. Robertson,
What is the gift, what is
“IT”- (“It is the gift . . .
not “they are”)
Grace –
Faith,
Salvation that
comes by grace
through faith?
Salvation By Grace Through Faith - Joshua 6:2, 14 - Grace
Joshua 6:2 (NKJV)
And the Lord said to Joshua: "See!
I have given Jericho into your hand,
its king, and the mighty men of valor.
. . . [14] And the second day they
marched around the city once and
returned to the camp. So they did six
days.
Salvation By Grace Through Faith - Joshua 15,16 - Grace
Joshua 6:15-16 (NKJV)
But it came to pass on the seventh day
that they rose early, about the dawning of
the day, and marched around the city seven
times in the same manner. On that day
only they marched around the city seven
times. [16] And the seventh time it
happened, when the priests blew the
trumpets, that Joshua said to the people:
"Shout, for the Lord has given you the
city!
Salvation By Grace Through Faith - Joshua 6:20 – Grace – Does Obedience Nullify
Grace?
Joshua 6:20 (NKJV)
So the people shouted when the priests
blew the trumpets. And it happened when
the people heard the sound of the trumpet,
and the people shouted with a great shout,
that the wall fell down flat. Then the
people went up into the city, every man
straight before him, and they took the city.
Did their
obedience nullify
God’s GRACE?
Gal 2:20,21; 3:1Hebrews 11:30
The Walls of Jericho Fell By?
A) Grace Only?
______ B) Faith Only?
C) Works Only?
D
______ D) By Grace Through
a Faith that obeyed?
Romans 1:5 - obedience to the faith (beginning)
Are we justified
by the Law of
Works (sinless
perfection) or
the Law of
Faith (the
gospel which
provides
forgiveness)?
Romans 1:5 (NKJV)
Through Him we have
received grace and apostleship
for obedience to the faith
among all nations for His
name,
Romans 6:16-18 – obedience unto righteousness (Middle)
Romans 6:16-18 (KJV)
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves
servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey;
whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto
righteousness? [17] But God be thanked, that ye were
the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart
that form of doctrine which was delivered you. [18]
Being then made free from sin, ye became the
servants of righteousness.
Romans 16:26 - for obedience to the faith- (End)
Are we justified
by the Law of
Works (sinless
perfection) or
the Law of
Faith (the
gospel which
provides
forgiveness)?
Romans 16:26 (NKJV)
but now has been made
manifest, and by the prophetic
Scriptures has been made
known to all nations, according
to the commandment of the
everlasting God, for obedience
to the faith--
Romans 4 –& Two systems – Rom 3:27
Are we justified
by the Law of
Works (sinless
perfection) or
the Law of
Faith (the
gospel which
provides
forgiveness)?
Romans 3:27-28 (NKJV)
Where is boasting then? It is
excluded. By what law? Of
works? No, but by the law of
faith. [28] Therefore we
conclude that a man is justified
by faith apart from the deeds
of the law.
Romans 4:2-3
Are we justified
by the Law of
Works (sinless
perfection) or
the Law of
Faith (the
gospel which
provides
forgiveness)?
Romans 4:2-3 (NKJV)
For if Abraham was justified by
works, he has something to
boast about, but not before God.
[3] For what does the Scripture
say? "Abraham believed God,
and it was accounted to him for
righteousness."
Romans 4:4,5
Are we justified
by the Law of
Works (sinless
perfection) or
the Law of
Faith (the
gospel which
provides
forgiveness)?
Romans 4:4-5 (NKJV)
Now to him who works, the
wages are not counted as grace
but as debt. [5] But to him
who does not work but
believes on Him who justifies
the ungodly, his faith is
accounted for righteousness,
Romans 4:6-8
Are we justified
by the Law of
Works (sinless
perfection) or
the Law of
Faith (the
gospel which
provides
forgiveness)?
Romans 4:6-8 (NKJV)
just as David also describes the
blessedness of the man to whom
God imputes righteousness apart
from works: [7]"Blessed are those
whose lawless deeds are forgiven,
And whose sins are covered; [8]
Blessed is the man to whom the
Lord shall not impute sin."
Romans 4 – Works Not Equal To Obedient Faith
Are we justified
by the Law of
Works (sinless
perfection) or
the Law of
Faith (the
gospel which
provides
forgiveness)?
Works
Obedience
[3] . . . Abraham believed God, and
it was accounted to him for
righteousness.” [dikaiosune],
[5] . . . his faith is accounted for
righteousness, [dikaiosune],
[6] . . God imputes righteousness
[dikaiosune], apart from works.
Romans 6:16-18
. . . obedience leading to
righteousness? [dikaiosune],
Kind of Faith that saves – James 2
James 2:14
(NKJV)
Faith That
Doesn’t save
Faith That
Does save
What does it
profit, my
brethren, if
someone says
he has faith
but does not
have works?
Can faith save
him?
Inactive
Active
Unfruitful
Fruitful
Disobedient
Obedient
Incomplete
Complete
Dead
Alive
Exegesis of James 2:20-22
James 2:14
(NKJV)
What does it
profit, my
brethren, if
someone says
he has faith
but does not
have works?
Can faith save
him?
James 2:20-26 (NKJV)
But do you want to know, O foolish
man, that faith without works is dead?
[21] Was not Abraham our father
justified by works when he offered Isaac
his son on the altar? [22] Do you see
that faith was working together with his
works, and by works faith was made
perfect?
Exegesis of James 2:23-24?
James 2:14
(NKJV)
What does it
profit, my
brethren, if
someone says
he has faith
but does not
have works?
Can faith save
him?
James 2:20-26 (NKJV)
[23] And the Scripture was fulfilled
which says, "Abraham believed God,
and it was accounted to him for
righteousness." And he was called the
friend of God.
Genesis 22:5,12,16,18,19
[24] You see then that a man is justified
by works, and not by faith only.
only
Exegesis of James 2:25,26?
James 2:14
(NKJV)
What does it
profit, my
brethren, if
someone says
he has faith
but does not
have works?
Can faith save
him?
James 2:20-26 (NKJV)
[25] Likewise, was not Rahab the
harlot also justified by works when she
received the messengers and sent them
out another way?
[26] For as the body without the spirit is
dead, so faith without works is dead
also.
Washing of Regeneration - Titus 3:4-5
Titus 3:4-5 (YLT)
and when the kindness and
the love to men of God our
Saviour did appear [5] (not
by works that [are] in
righteousness that we did
but according to His
kindness,) He did save us,
through a bathing of
regeneration, and a
renewing of the Holy Spirit,
Divine initiative
• Kindness Not due to
• Love
works of
righteousne
• Mercy
ss
Saved when?
• Washing of
regeneration (i.e.
baptism)
• Renewing of the Holy
Spirit
Acts 2:38; John 3:5;
Mr. Cook Vs. The Holy Spirit 1 Peter 3:21
1 Peter 3:21 (NASB)
And corresponding to that,
baptism now saves you-- not
the removal of dirt from the
flesh, but an appeal to God
for a good conscience-through the resurrection of
Jesus Christ,
The proposition
Resolved: The scriptures teach that the alien sinner
is forgiven of his past sins by faith only, before and
without water baptism
God's Purpose and Water Baptism... Luke 7:30
God's Purpose and Water Baptism...
Luke 7:30 (NASB)
But the Pharisees
and the lawyers
rejected God's purpose
for themselves, not
having been baptized
by John.