Transcript There is No Equivalent to an AA Degree

There is
No Equivalent
to an
AA Degree
Julie Bruno
Dianna Chiabotti
Wheeler North
The Genesis
• Title 5 §53410 allows for foreign
degrees that are equivalent
• Title 5 §53430 allows one to “possess
qualifications that are at least
equivalent to the minimum
qualifications”
The Resolve
• Spring 2009 – Resolution 10.11R
• Resolved, That the Academic Senate for
California Community Colleges recommend
to the Board of Governors that there is no
equivalent to the associate degree for
disciplines in which a master’s degree is
not generally expected or available and
that an associate degree is the minimum
educational qualification required for all
faculty members in these disciplines.
The Result
• The resolve was referred to the ASCCC
Executive committee to conduct more
research on the pros and cons of such a
position and to bring back information
in Fall 2009. (for reconsideration)
The Timeline
• Fall 2009 session was too soon
• Conduct breakouts at numerous
stakeholder events
• Prepare articles informing the field
• Collect information and evidence
• Reconsider resolution in April at Spring
Session.
The Impact
• Title 5 §53410 currently allows for
AA/AS degrees in the now two nonMaster’s degree areas.
• This change would only impact those
two areas.
The Philosophy
• Should all faculty posses the degree
that their students are seeking?
• Is it right for some K12 requirements to
have higher qualifications?
• (In vocational/ROP areas)
The Questions
• What’s Broken?
• Is there evidence of faculty inappropriately
being hired?
• Are there undue costs associated with
hiring equivalent faculty?
• Are many faculty hired with no college
degree?
• Are such faculty less able to serve students
in the many areas supported by faculty?
The Con
• Will classes truly be canceled because
we cannot find faculty with six years
experience and an associate degree?
• Will this affect new program startups?
• Will this affect noncredit or other
qualifications where an AA/AS
equivalent is allowed?
The Unanswered
• What other questions do we need to be
asking?
• What other constituent groups will be
interested in this?
The Addendum
• Recent changes to Title 5 §53410
provided for a new category of
minimum qualifications.
• This allows for Bachelor’s and associate
degree qualifications that are specific to
the discipline area.
• The new list will include original lists
plus a new combined list. (due Dec-Jan)
The Disciplines List – The Old
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Is two separate lists
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Disciplines requiring a Master’s Degree
Disciplines in which a Master’s Degree is not
generally expected or available in that specific
discipline (requires any degree)
Included qualifications for “Others” as
detailed directly in Title 5
Did not provide for a state-wide minimum
qualification of a Bachelor’s degree
The Disciplines List – The New
• Discipline qualifications are now organized into
three main groups
1. Disciplines requiring a Master’s Degree
2. Disciplines where a Master’s degree is not normally
expected but a Bachelor’s or Associate degree is
expected
3. Disciplines in which a Master’s, Bachelor’s or Associate
Degree is not generally expected or available in that
specific discipline (requires any degree)
4. Disciplines for non-credit instruction
5. Other – to include Administrators, Learning Center
Coordinators, Health Services Professionals,
Apprenticeship Instructors, DSP&S Counselors, Work
Experience Coordinators, Faculty Interns, EOPS