Transcript Slide 1

Answering Your Questions
The Bible tells us that women should remain
silent in the church. Why is it okay then for
women to speak out in Bible class? Is this not
worship? Is there an example in the Bible that
tells us this is okay or are we adding to what the
Bible tells us?
When does a football game begin?
When does the football game end?
Genesis 22:5 And Abraham said to his young men,
"Stay here with the donkey; the lad and I will go
yonder and worship, and we will come back to
you."
Acts 24:11 "because you may ascertain that it is
no more than twelve days since I went up to
Jerusalem to worship.
1 Corinthians 11:3 But I want you to know that
the head of every man is Christ, the head of
woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.
1 Timothy 2:13 For Adam was formed first, then
Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the
woman being deceived, fell into transgression.
1 Peter 3:1 Wives, likewise, be submissive to your
own husbands, that even if some do not obey the
word, they, without a word, may be won by the
conduct of their wives, 2 when they observe your
chaste conduct accompanied by fear.
Acts 18:24 Now a certain Jew named Apollos,
born at Alexandria, an eloquent man and mighty
in the Scriptures, came to Ephesus. 25 This man
had been instructed in the way of the Lord; and
being fervent in spirit, he spoke and taught
accurately the things of the Lord, though he knew
only the baptism of John. 26 So he began to
speak boldly in the synagogue. When Aquila and
Priscilla heard him, they took him aside and
explained to him the way of God more accurately.
What do you think about woman saying amen to
a prayer in the worship service?
1 Corinthians 14:34 Let your women keep silent
in the churches, for they are not permitted to
speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law
also says. 35 And if they want to learn
something, let them ask their own husbands at
home; for it is shameful for women to speak in
church.
What is meant by silent?
Siago can mean to stop talking or to keep
something a secret.
Luke 9:36 When the voice had ceased, Jesus was
found alone. But they kept quiet, and told no one
in those days any of the things they had seen.
1 Corinthians 14:27 If anyone speaks in a tongue,
let there be two or at the most three, each in
turn, and let one interpret. 28 But if there is no
interpreter, let him keep silent in church, and let
him speak to himself and to God. 29 Let two or
three prophets speak, and let the others judge.
30 But if anything is revealed to another who sits
by, let the first keep silent. 31 For you can all
prophesy one by one, that all may learn and all
may be encouraged.
If Siago means absolute silence then women can’t:
• Correct her child, sneeze or cough
• Sing (Would contradict Eph. 5:19 and Col. 3:16)
• Confess Christ in the assembly
• Speak at any gathering of the saints
1 Timothy 2:11 Let a woman learn in silence with
all submission. 12 And I do not permit a woman
to teach or to have authority over a man, but to
be in silence.
1 Timothy 2:8 I desire therefore that the men
pray everywhere, lifting up holy hands, without
wrath and doubting;
Amen means surely, truly and it can mean so it is,
so be it, may it be fulfilled
It was a custom, which passed over from the
synagogues into the Christian assemblies, that
when he who had read or discoursed had offered
up a solemn prayer to God, the others in
attendance responded Amen, and thus made the
substance of what was uttered their own:
Deuteronomy 27:15 'Cursed is the one who
makes a carved or molded image, an abomination
to the LORD, the work of the hands of the
craftsman, and sets it up in secret.' And all the
people shall answer and say, 'Amen!'
Is it okay for a young boy who is not a Christian
to lead the closing prayer? If not, why is it okay
for them to lead singing?
Matthew 28:19 "Go therefore and make disciples
of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of
the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
20 "teaching them to observe all things that I
have commanded you ….
Hebrews 10:24 And let us consider one another in
order to stir up love and good works, 25 not
forsaking the assembling of ourselves together,
as is the manner of some
Acts 20:28 "Therefore take heed to yourselves
and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit
has made you overseers, to shepherd the church
of God which He purchased with His own blood.
Hebrews 13:17 Obey those who rule over you,
and be submissive, for they watch out for your
souls, as those who must give account. Let them
do so with joy and not with grief, for that would
be unprofitable for you.
Is 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12 and 1 Timothy 4:1-5
are referring to the Catholic Church?
1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit expressly says that
in latter times some will depart from the faith,
giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of
demons, 2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having
their own conscience seared with a hot iron, 3
forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain
from foods which God created to be received with
thanksgiving by those who believe and know the
truth. 4 For every creature of God is good, and
nothing is to be refused if it is received with
thanksgiving; 5 for it is sanctified by the word of
God and prayer.
2 Thessalonians 2:1 Now, brethren, concerning the
coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering
together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken
in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by
letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had
come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for
that Day will not come unless the falling away comes
first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of
perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above
all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he
sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself
that he is God. 5 Do you not remember that when I
was still with you I told you these things? 6 And now
you know what is restraining, that he may be
revealed in his own time. 7 For the mystery of
lawlessness is already at work; only He who now
restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. 8
And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the
Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and
destroy with the brightness of His coming. 9 The
coming of the lawless one is according to the working
of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders,
10 and with all unrighteous deception among those
who perish, because they did not receive the love of
the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this
reason God will send them strong delusion, that they
should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be
condemned who did not believe the truth but had
pleasure in unrighteousness.
Paul established the church at Thessalonica in
Acts 17 during his second missionary journey
• Some were confused about those who had died
and corrects them 1 Thessalonians 4:13-5:11
• Some became idle and corrects them 1
Thessalonians 4:11-12
2 Thessalonians 2:1 Now, brethren, concerning
the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our
gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to
be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by
spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as
though the day of Christ had come. 3 Let no one
deceive you by any means; for that Day will not
come unless the falling away comes first, and the
man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,
2 Timothy 2:16 But shun profane and idle
babblings, for they will increase to more
ungodliness. 17 And their message will spread
like cancer. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of this
sort, 18 who have strayed concerning the truth,
saying that the resurrection is already past; and
they overthrow the faith of some.
2 Thessalonians 2:3 and the man of sin is
revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes
and exalts himself above all that is called God or
that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the
temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
This phrase “falling away” comes from the Greek
word “apostasia” from which we get our English
word apostasy
In some sense, the Man of Sin will “sit in the
temple of God” (v. 4). The “temple” is not a
reference to the Jewish house of worship. The
Greek word is naos, used by Paul eight times;
never does he employ the term of the Jewish
temple. In fact, after the death of Christ, the
Jewish temple is never again called the temple of
God (Newton, p. 441). Rather it is used of the
Christian’s body (1 Cor. 6:19), or of the church as
God’s spiritual house (1 Cor. 3:16,17; Eph. 2:21).
The suggestion is this: this unholy being is
viewed as a “church” character.
The expression “sitteth” may hint of unparalleled
arrogance (Ellicott, pp. 119-120). Mason notes
that the language describes the Man of Sin as
attempting to exact “divine homage” from people
(p. 169). Moreover, this Son of Perdition “sets
himself forth as God.” The present participle
(“sets forth continually”) reveals that this
presumptive posture is characteristic of the Man
of Sin. This person represents himself as God,
either: (a) by making claims that belong only to
deity; (b) by receiving adoration reserved
exclusively for God; or, (c) by usurping
prerogatives which only God can accomplish.
Clearly, the Man of Sin is an ecclesiastical
character.
2 Thessalonians 2:5 Do you not remember that
when I was still with you I told you these things?
6 And now you know what is restraining, that he
may be revealed in his own time.
2 Thessalonians 2:7 For the mystery of
lawlessness is already at work; only He who now
restrains will do so until He is taken out of the
way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed,
whom the Lord will consume with the breath of
His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His
coming.
2 Thessalonians 2:9 The coming of the lawless
one is according to the working of Satan, with all
power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all
unrighteous deception among those who perish,
because they did not receive the love of the truth,
that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason
God will send them strong delusion, that they
should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be
condemned who did not believe the truth but had
pleasure in unrighteousness.
Bloomfield calls these “pretended miracles” (p.
345). These “wonders” are not in the category of
Christ’s miracles. Lenski has well commented: “So
many are ready to attribute real miracles to Satan
and to his agents; the Scriptures never do” (p.
426). In identifying the Man of Sin, one must thus
look for a post-apostolic movement that claims to
prove its authenticity by miracles.
Possibilities given by others:
• Pagan mythology
• Satan
• The principle of evil (Islam, Communism, etc)
The text tells of a particular movement, “the
falling away” (v. 3). How does that refer to
Communism, etc.? Moreover, there are too many
personal references within the narrative to
dismiss it as mere personification. Finally, it is
“the man of sin,” with the article pointing to a
definite influence, rather than a generic one.
• Judaism
• Roman ruler
As Raymond Kelcy observed: “Paul contemplates
the man of lawlessness being in existence and
waging opposition at the time the Lord returns;
the Roman empire has long ago ceased to be” (p.
161).
• The future AntiChrist
Millennialists (and some others) contend that the
Man of Sin “is an individual embodying anti-God
power who is still to arise before the future day of
the Lord” (Mare, p. 1073).
“As this evil began in the apostles’ days, and was
to continue in the world till the second coming of
Christ in power and great glory: it necessarily
follows, that it was to be carried on not by one
man, but by a succession of men in several ages”
(p. 453).
The papal dynasty of the apostate church of
Rome.
As Barnes says: “Most Protestant commentators
have referred it to the great apostasy under the
Papacy …” (p. 80).
The apostasy:
Forbidding to marry and forbidding the eating of
meat 1 Tim. 4:1-5
The Catholic Church:
• Forbids the eating of meat on Friday
• Promotes celibacy
• Forbids the priests and pope from marrying
• Will not marry a couple during lent
The many corruptions of the divine economy—
changes in the plan of redemption (e.g.,
sprinkling, infant baptism, etc.), alteration of
worship (e.g., the mass, the veneration of Mary,
etc.)—were progressively implemented.
Catholicism evolved as a defection from the
original faith. This history has been graphically
detailed in John F. Rowe’s, The History of
Apostasies (1958, Rosemead, CA: Old Paths
Publishing Co.).
Not Revealed in the First Century
Lawless
“The pope doeth whatsoever he listeth [wills],
even things unlawful, and is more than God”
(quoted by Newton, p. 456).
Attwater, a Catholic writer, has shown that,
according to Roman Catholicism, “Tradition,” i.e.,
the voice of the church, is superior to the
Scriptures (pp. 41-42).
"Like two sacred rivers flowing from paradise, the
Bible and Divine Tradition contain the Word of
God. . .of the two, tradition is to us more clear
and safe." (Catholic Belief, by J. Faa Di Bruno, p.
33.)
God opposing
Sitting in the temple of God and making himself
out to be God.
• the Pope is the head of the church on earth and
Jesus is the head of the church in heaven.
Paul says Jesus is, “The head [singular] of the
body, the church” (Col. 1:18)
More ways the Pope makes himself out to be God:
1. Making claims that belong only to deity—”Our
Lord God the pope; another God upon the earth,
king of kings, and lord of lords” (Newton, p.
456).
2. Accepting adoration not proper for a man. Men
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Catholic Church, "there is neither salvation nor
remission of sins."
He further said: ". . .it is altogether necessary to
salvation for every human creature to be subject
to the Roman Pontiff.“ (Eternal Kingdom, p. 196.)
John 14:6 "I am the way, the truth, and the life.
No one comes to the Father except through Me.
4. Their doctrine also gives their priest the power
to forgive sins.
For example, in Catholic doctrine, Absolution is a
“judicial act whereby a priest remits the sins of a
penitent who has contrition, has made confession
and promises satisfaction” (Attwater, p. 3).
Claims of miracles
Conway, a Catholic apologist, states that God
“has allowed His saints to work miracles to prove
their divine commission to speak in His name, and
to give the world a clear proof of their eminent
sanctity. The Church always requires four, or in
some instances six, miracles before she proceeds
to beatify or canonize a saint” (p. 44).
Early Stages at Work in Paul’s Day
Newton says: “The seeds of popery were sown in the
apostle’s time” (p. 457). Idolatry had invaded the church
(1 Cor. 10:14), even in the worship of angels (Col. 2:18).
Handling the word of God deceitfully (2 Cor. 4:2) had
begun; strife and division were affecting the church (1
Cor. 3:3). Gospel truth was sacrificed for the sake of
money (cf. 1 Tim. 6:5; Tit. 1:11)—compare the practice of
“simony” in Catholicism, i.e., the purchase of church
offices. Distinctions were made regarding meats (1 Cor.
8:8), and human traditions were creeping into the church
(Col. 2:23). Certain men (such as Diotrephes) were
beginning to exert preeminence and to flex their
ecclesiastical muscles (3 Jn. 9,10). Out of these attitudes
and actions, the papacy finally was born.
If the man of sin is the papal dynasty then what
was restraining it from coming to power?
McClintock and Strong, citing numerous sources
from the early “church fathers” (e.g., Tertullian,
Chrysostom, Hippolytus, Jerome, etc.), said that
the patristic writers “generally consider” the
restraining force to be “the Roman empire” (p.
255).
“During the first three hundred years of the history of
Christianity it was a persecuted illegal religion. This
fact hindered any power-hungry “Christian” bishop
from assuming a lot of authority.
In the years that followed the adoption of
Christianity as the state religion (325 AD),
emperors like Constantine and Theodosius considered
themselves not only the head of the state, but head
of the church as well. For example, Constantine
called the council of Nicea to settle the dispute about
the nature of Christ.
In the fourth century as the barbarians began to
invade the Roman empire, it became weaker and
weaker, and its emperors became less and less
strong.
In those times many of the bishops of Rome were
strong willed, capable men. Gradually the Roman
bishops came to have more power and the emperors
less. The Roman bishops were further strengthened
when the capital of the Roman empire was
transferred to Constantinople in the East.
Leo the Great, bishop of Rome 440-461 AD, greatly
strengthened the authority of his office. On two
occasions he saved Rome from being sacked, first by
Atilla the Hun, and secondly by Genseric the Vandal.
In return for such service the Roman emperor gave
Leo authority over the bishops and churches in every
province.
The Western Roman Empire fell in 486 AD, and this gave
the Roman bishops almost a free hand in Europe. Bishop
Gelasius (492-496) contended that although the king
rules over men in the world, yet he is duty bound in
spiritual things to submit to his religious prelates.
Later Roman bishops, such as Gregory the Great (590604) formed alliances with civil rulers in the West, as well
as emperors in the East.
While some strong emperors occasionally resisted the
popes for many centuries, the popes became so strong
that kings (such as Charlemagne) received their crowns
from the hands of popes, and the popes sometimes
commanded people in various countries to disobey their
kings when the kings would not submit to the authority of
the Roman church.” (Thinking Through Thessalonians,
Wilbur Fields, p. 202,203.)
The work of the man of sin is to continue to exist
in one for or another until Christ comes again.
“The identification of the papacy and its religious
apparatus with Paul’s words in 2 Thessalonians
2:3-10 was the prevailing view for more than a
thousand years, a view supported by the writings
and interpretations of many of the most brilliant
men who ever lived on earth; and, on that
account, there is no way for this writer to accept
the sneers and snickers with which this
interpretation is greeted by many modern
commentators, as being an effective refutation of
the arguments upholding it” (p. 104).
THE MAN OF SIN