Transcript Poynton Conundrums with follow up - jaggers

Last updated January 2013
Some Poynton
Conundrums
With follow-up
Keith Jaggers
www.jaggers-heritage.com
Poynton Conundrums:-
follow-up items
1. Where was the “Horse & Jockey” public house?
2. When was Lower Park Lodge built?
3. Is Jepson’s Tenement the same as Haybrook?
4. Where was Broad Oak Farm?
5. Location of mine drainage sough entrance
6. Where were Springfield Cottages?
7. Where was Coke Hall?
8. What do the census property numbers refer to?
9. Location of 5 properties in 1911 census?
10. An appeal for old photographs!
William Salt – publican of Poynton
• born 1785 , Derbyshire
• At the Crescent Inn, London Rd N, 1818-1828 (renamed
Warren Bulkeley Arms in 1822)
• At the Horse & Jockey from 1828 – where was it? Midway?
• At the Bull’s Head from 1834. 1841 census confirms this
was in Poynton Village, 2nd house from N, opposite Crescent
(this had a “brewhouse” run by Peter Hall in 1793)
• Built the new Bull’s Head and adjoining 4 cottages “Salt’s
Row” in 1845 on present site
Retired 1850 to one
of his cottages.
Taylor family then ran
pub for many years
Pub re-fronted and
extended into first
cottage around 1910
The other Early Poynton pubs
Vernon Arms: was The Roebuck, then Bulkeley’s Arms. Was called the
Griffin 1822 to 1850; Mary Hough was landlady 1822-28. Midway House or
Vernon Arms Hotel, 1851 on (Clayton Family, who also ran Midway Farm)
Crescent Inn (“The New Inn” 1793, Warren Bulkeley Arms 1822-1828):
William Salt 1818-28, then Allen family. Ceased to be a pub c.1855, then became
the Doctor’s House
Farmer’s Arms: started circa 1855, Higginbotham family
Church Inn: around 1864-73 only (Fletcher), otherwise just a shop. Site
now “Mates” shop
Boar’s Head: started c.1872 at Woodhouse Farm (Wood family)
Railway Inn: c.1881-91 only (Wainwright); at no. 2 Lostock Terrace?
Pack Horse: in Worth (Midway?) from c.1822-28 only
When was Lower Park Lodge built?
The Wilmslow Turnpike Road
as shown on 1789 plan was
diverted along what is now
Chester Road in 1819.
The old route then became
Lower Park Road, and the
area was enclosed by gates &
lodges, by the Warren family.
However the rebuilt Lodge
carries the build date 1780
The 1793 estate map &
terrier index does not show
or list the building....so the
modern date plaque is
incorrect!
Is Jepson’s Tenement the same as Haybrook?
Haybrook is a listed
building, 17th century.
Shown but never named on
the large-scale OS maps.
The 1793 & 1849 estate
surveys & maps show this
location as the Bradshaw
family small –holding. They
were still there in 1861-71-81.
In the latter two censuses,
the residence is recorded as
Jepson’s Tenement, so they
are one and the same
Where was Broad Oak Farm?
1851 census: John Jepson, 36 farmer of
15 acres employing one man (he is
already there in 1841).
But in 1861 he is at “Brickyard Farm” –
later (and currently) known as Lower
Park Farm .
The 1849 estate survey and map
confirms that Broad Oak Farm was on
the site of the present Finger Post
Cottages;
The censuses show that about 1855,
Broad Oak Farmhouse (built 1807) was
divided into the 2 cottages, which have
remained thus since then.
Thanks to Gill Kendall for putting me
on the right track with this one
Sir George Warren’s mine drainage sough
Constructed about 1780:
“Near the Black Hole”
“Draining pits at Cawley
Nursery”
The entrance is still visible in
winter from the Ladybrook
Trail......
1983 photo courtesy of David Kitching.....
Almost hidden by vegetation in 2011.......
Where were Springfield Cottages?
In 1881 census, appear adjacent to Elm Beds and Mount
Vernon entries; however no other buildings are shown on
the maps here then......
This was a total red herring! The enumerator seems to
have missed them out on his earlier journey along
Dicken’s Lane, and goes back to them at the end of his
round! They are nos 239-245 (odd), Dicken’s Lane
Where was Coke Hall?
In 1841 census appears after
the Accommodation houses
and before “Coppice”
In 1851 ditto, shown as
“Accommodation: Coke Hall”
1861 = “Copy Side”
1871 = “In the Coppice”
The 1849 estate survey and map shows it on the north
side of the lane, just west of Keeper’s Cottage. The 1870s
OS map (above) shows it, but was demolished soon
afterwards. Site is now the front garden of “By the Brook”
What do the census property numbers mean?
In the 1881, 1891 & 1911 censuses, many properties are numbered:
e.g. Worth Clough Cottages (Petre Bank): 82-98 inclusive
Mount Vernon: 16-19
Ten Row: 124-133
Long Row: 139-162
Newtown: 198-231
The highest number found was 299. The numbers are consistent over
several censuses, but there are some gaps; perhaps only the ones which
actually carried visible numbers were recorded?
Up to around 195 the properties are numbered from east to west,
indicating that the scheme was started in about 1871.
After 196 the numbers are randomly scattered, indicating the order in
which they were built or purchased after 1871?
Curiously however, the numbers do not appear at all in the 1901 census!
They all appear to be Vernon Estate directly-tenanted
properties, as distinct from those which were let by the
builder / leaseholder, who collected his own rents and paid a
Chief Rent to the Estate.
1911 Census: Where were these properties?
(Do they still exist?)
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
Cornwood = mis-indexed; should be Carr
Wood (no)
Hollywood Lodge = 1 of the 2 Cawley
Lodges, near New House Farm (no)
Oak Meadow = present Vicarage (yes)
Pastures Clough = mis-indexed; should
be Horse Pastures, Potter’s Clough (yes)
Clemata Cottage appears to be no. 47
London Road South (east side) (yes)
An appeal for old photographs!
Higher Barn London Road N
Barlow Fold – the garden front (2 images found)
Crescent Inn, London Road N (2 images found)
Eight Row, Chester Road
Poynton Place
Bower Stumps Farm
The Old Police Station (2 images found)
Beechfield
(1 image found)
Keith Jaggers
www.jaggers-heritage.com